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Question to Christians
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(May 31, 2016 at 10:56 am)ChadWooters Wrote:
(May 31, 2016 at 10:33 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: They may have been Christians because back then it was a crime not to be, but the discoveries were despite of religion not because of it. When people believed in the bible as you do there was a period of long stagnation, it was only when the bible was set aside that progress was made.
Yet the Christian foundations of an intelligible order and the efficacy of reason remain the unacknowledged and necessary basis on which the intellectual tools of that progress depends. They were absent outside the West and that is also why liberal democracy developed in the West. Natural law, human dignity, and inalienable rights are all contingent on the existence of God. To deny the existence of God is to undermine the foundations of natural science and liberal democracy.

I couldn't disagree more.

The god of the bible is a hierarchical god with this idea giving legitimacy to tyrants and indeed is still the claim that our queen makes to legitimize her rule. This is antipathy to democracy. And it is notable that the idea of democracy came from a non-Christian nation for purely secular reasons.

The idea of a god is a halter to progress, by professing to be the answer to everything it negates the desire to seek more knowledge and this is what we see in the past. The bible also supported oppression, misogyny slavery and is full of anti-humanistic claims.

The idea of god has been the bane of the west and to reject the idea of god is the only way to further science and liberal ideals.



You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.

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Question to Christians - by purplepurpose - May 28, 2016 at 2:36 am
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RE: Question to Christians - by downbeatplumb - May 31, 2016 at 4:15 am
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