(May 30, 2016 at 7:45 pm)drfuzzy Wrote:Oh, my glob...(May 28, 2016 at 6:45 am)Thena323 Wrote: Yep:
Romans 10:9 (KJV) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Romans 10:10 (KJV) For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Salvation is only the means by which one is saved, IMO; Easily lost or forfeited.
That was my take, anyway.
Green: quote from Dripshit, in case it's unclear.
Hey Dripshit! Jesus (supposedly) said:
Matthew 12:31-32
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
So Jeebus Crisp in the KJV is the authority, apparently. Well good. Because I was baptized, saved and sanctified, re-baptized, and all of that bullshit. But YAY!! Ju-HEEZ-us gives me an out. So here we go: the HOLY SPIRIT does not and has never existed. It was made up by men. But JUST IN CASE I still have believer stain in me somewhere, the HOLY SPIRIT is an impotent, incompetent, and idiotic pile of shit!!!! There. My salvation should be sufficiently erased. Whew. Dodged a bullet, might have gotten sent to the non-existent heaven or hell after I kick the bucket.
"From the point of the final judgement..." That was a condition or qualifier I used to validate my statement. If you understood this point your whole post should have been about What or rather WHEN is your final judgement?
Again. the word 'saved' here is the scriptural context points to a future event. Meaning If you can read this, your opportunity for salvation has not occurred yet. Read Romans 10:9 again (really any passage about salvation) "Thou Shalt BE Saved." Or You Will Be Saved) Not You are saved.
Do you see it yet? Salvation does not happen upon confession. Salvation happens upon final judgement. As in You will literally be saved from the flames of Hell At your judgement! Not your actions or acceptance of some mantra, cermony or chant saves you at the point you say it or get pushed under water. Rather your salvation will happen at a future date. It is to that Salvation that one can NEVER loose his salvation from.
Again this is another example of how you failed in your understanding of God. Appearently your version of God saves you when you say a little chant or go through some ritual, and it was your understanding that from that some believed no one could loose their salvation. Where you failed was in your understanding of biblical salvation itself. Salvation does not happen in this life it happens in the next one. At least according to scripture/The God of the bible.
So my question is, if you do not understand the basics of salvation how then do you see yourself in a position to correct anyone? Why not ask a question if you are unsure, rather than persume to teach from a religion you yourself has verified as being empty of a deity it claims to worship?
