Why is Allah holding Iblis to a different standard than the other Jinn?

[Sheed1980]

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What u have to understand is that just as man was created from dust (earth),angels are created from light and jinn are created from fire. Men and jinn were created by God with free-will where angels were not. Just as a human being can't naturally fly or breath underwater, angels CANNOT disobey God. It is not encoded into their so to say DNA. So because angels do not have free will the jinn were the superior creation of God at the time. Iblis was also a believing good jinn who as God's greatest creation was placed above the angels in stature and amongst them in Paradise. When God told the angels He was going to create man He sent them down to Earth to grab piles of dirt. Black dirt and white dirt, and red dirt and brown dirt and yellow dirt (which is why we all come in different colors). The dirt was mixed with water to make it a sticky mud or clay and moulded into a statue of Adam pbuh. God brought him to life and told all of the beings in Paradise to prostrate in honor to His greatest creation mankind. All of the angels obeyed their Lord and prostrated to His greatest creation Adam pbuh. But Iblis refused. He said "My Lord You created me from fire and him from mud I am better than he is." So by Iblis first disobeying God shows he was not an angel. Secondly he said "I am made from FIRE" this proves he was a jinn and not an angel. This is why God says He created jinn from smokeless fire. When fire burns something chemically it turns into smoke. So the fire that was smokeless was fire that God created Himself, that didn't come from sulfur, wood or any other flammable material. With God nothing is impossible. When He determines a matter He only says to it "Be" and it is. So it's not confusing it's just ur misunderstanding

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The first thing to say is Quran 2:34 doesn't say "We said to the Jinn* and the angels". It reads: "We said to the angels". It doesn't make a distinction for any Jinn present. It only mentions Iblis and the Angels. So I think it was reasonable to conclude the verse is Iblis is an Angel. We assume, based on other verses, that Iblis is not an Angel.

*Or Iblis and the Angels

I can accept that Iblis was never an Angel. What I'm saying is the verse is not clear. I wouldn't have known based on that verse alone. Quran 2:34, in particular, is worded quite misleadingly I would say. The Tafsir scholars agree with you, but most people, especially in the 3rd word, don't have access to the vast volumes of Tafsir - and may be illiterate. The interpretation  of the Tafsir scholars seems forced - nowhere in the passage Quran 2:34 is taken from does it make a disinfection for Iblis (as far as I'm aware).

E.g. Quran 2:31 says "And He taught Adam the names of all things; then He placed them before the angels, and said: "Tell me the names of these if ye are right."" and Quran 2:30 "Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: "I will create a vicegerent on earth." They said: "Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?" He said: "I know what ye know not.""

Again we see the Quran not making a distinction. It doesn't say "Angels and Jinn" or "Angels and Iblis", even though both Jinn and Angels were supposed to be present. Quran 2:30 says Allah only talked to Angels, even though Iblis is supposed to have been present. Quran 2:34 says only Angels were told to prostrate. Does this mean Iblis was not given the same instructions as the Angels seeing as only Angels were instructed by Allah? Why isn't the Quran being clear with us?


We see this theme again in Quran 20:116

"And when We said unto the angels: Fall prostrate before Adam, they fell prostrate (all) save Iblis; he refused."

The Quran is misleading us into thinking Iblis is Angel again. There verse never mentions the Jinn having to prostrate. Only Angels. Why doesn't it say "We said unto the Jinn and the Angels" or "Iblis and the Angels".

But let's put that aside for the moment. What is the benefit to creating Jinn? How does this help creation? Do they serve any useful purpose?

The smokeless fire part always loses me. Why have Jinn not been detected yet? Fire is heat. Why do we not feel the heat of their fire or have any means of detecting their fire? What tools (and you can speculate on future technology here) would I need to detect a Jinn?

Well as u see with the fall of Iblis to Satan in the Qur'an he told Allah for throwing him out of Paradise he would deceive the sons of Adam pbuh and lead them astray. Allah told him he and whoever follows him shall be thrown into Hellfire. So before mankind was created Jinn were the only free-willed being. But just as there are good and bad people, there are good and bad jinn as well. But if u read closely in the Qur'an Allah told the angels, before Adam pbuh was even created, He was going to create a vicegerent to live on Earth. So Allah knew that Adam and Eve would disobey Him and fall from Paradise. That was His plan as a lesson for them to beware of Satan. He is an enemy to all mankind and he will try to trick u on Earth just as he tricked u in Paradise at the forbidden tree. So perhaps jinn were created by God to test mankind in this life. It was the father of Jinn Iblis who tricked our father of mankind Adam pbuh to begin the test of God for us as humans. Just because jinn are made from fire doesn't mean we have to feel them. Angels are made from light but we can't see them in their angelic form. Oxygen has atoms but we can't see or feel them. God is there but we can't see Him. Point being just because we humans can't see or feel something doesn't mean it's not there. Jinn have been detected. Jinn are what u as Christians would refer to as spirits or demons. Evil jinn use their God-given powers to possess humans and assist them with black magic and conjuration. As jinn and humans are forbade by God to do magic they all have free-will and will stand before Him in judgment. Those of us who believe and worship Him alone, seeking and are blessed with His forgiveness when we sin on those shall be no fear nor shall they grieve, and will find their home in a world of joy and satisfaction. But as for those who disbelieve, drawing upon themselves His wrath and anger, for them will be a painful destruction and torment.