Why is Allah holding Iblis to a different standard than the other Jinn?

[Sheed1980]

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Well as u see with the fall of Iblis to Satan in the Qur'an he told Allah for throwing him out of Paradise he would deceive the sons of Adam pbuh and lead them astray. Allah told him he and whoever follows him shall be thrown into Hellfire. So before mankind was created Jinn were the only free-willed being. But just as there are good and bad people, there are good and bad jinn as well. But if u read closely in the Qur'an Allah told the angels, before Adam pbuh was even created, He was going to create a vicegerent to live on Earth. So Allah knew that Adam and Eve would disobey Him and fall from Paradise. That was His plan as a lesson for them to beware of Satan. He is an enemy to all mankind and he will try to trick u on Earth just as he tricked u in Paradise at the forbidden tree. So perhaps jinn were created by God to test mankind in this life. It was the father of Jinn Iblis who tricked our father of mankind Adam pbuh to begin the test of God for us as humans. Just because jinn are made from fire doesn't mean we have to feel them. Angels are made from light but we can't see them in their angelic form. Oxygen has atoms but we can't see or feel them. God is there but we can't see Him. Point being just because we humans can't see or feel something doesn't mean it's not there. Jinn have been detected. Jinn are what u as Christians would refer to as spirits or demons. Evil jinn use their God-given powers to possess humans and assist them with black magic and conjuration. As jinn and humans are forbade by God to do magic they all have free-will and will stand before Him in judgment. Those of us who believe and worship Him alone, seeking and are blessed with His forgiveness when we sin on those shall be no fear nor shall they grieve, and will find their home in a world of joy and satisfaction. But as for those who disbelieve, drawing upon themselves His wrath and anger, for them will be a painful destruction and torment.

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Well as u see with the fall of Iblis to Satan in the Qur'an he told Allah for throwing him out of Paradise he would deceive the sons of Adam pbuh and lead them astray

And even though Allah loves humans Allah does nothing to stop Iblis? How can a mere human do battle with such a powerful entity as Iblis? That is what is expected of us, yes?

If Allah came and told me to bow to Adam I would bow down, because I know that I would lose any fight with Allah. There is nothing to be gained from not bowing down. Allah, the creator of everything, will win in the end - not matter what - so why bother fighting?

Would you say the hellfire is an absence of Allah? If so, then Allah cannot be "omnipresent" because Allah cannot be in all places at once if Allah is not also in the hellfire. What business does Allah have in the hellfire? Does Allah know what it feels like to suffer in the hellfire?

This story in the Quran about Iblis has a lot in common with the creation story of the Zarathustrians, which I elaborate on below. Did you also know that Zarathustrians are also required to wash before prayers (their version of wudu) and pray five times a day? (they have their own version of Salah too).

Authentic Gatha Zoroastrianism has an article titled:

The five daily prayers/namáz/nemö and the Month of Bahman in Zoroastrianism

And it explains this ritual washing before each prayer:

Before each Gah, i.e., time to meditate/pray, each Zoroastrian must perform “pádyáp” or “kushti pádyáp” ceremony. Face and limbs are washed 3 times, the first 2 times with flower extracts, cucumber juice and oils, substituted by soap and lotion at these times and finally with water. The mouth must be washed/rinsed thoroughly with a refreshing juice and/or mouthwash.

1. Zarathustrians have the sunrise prayer (Hávan) which is equivalent to Fajr,

2. Then comes the noon prayer (Rapithwin) which is equivalent to Zuhr.

3. Uzayäirin is the afternoon prayer which is equivalent to Asr

4. Aiwi-srüthrim is the evening/night prayer and is equivalent to Maghrib

5. úsha.hin is the might night until dawn payer which is equivalent to Isha.

And for each prayer you have to wash yourself like in you do for Wudu.


Anyhow, here is a summary of the creation story:

1. Ahura Mazda (the monotheistic deity of Zarathustrians) created man after every other living thing was created. Sky came first, then water, then the Earth (which was flat at first), then the plants, then the non-human animals and, finally, humans.
2. Ahura Mazda, after creating man, asked the Evil Spirit to praise (bow to) Gayomard, the first man. The Evil Spirit refused, claimed that it was far better than man (just like Iblis).
3. Ahura Mazda knew the Evil Spirit and the other demons wanted to destroy creation.
4. The reason there is sickness and death is because the Evil Spirit refused to praise man - like Ahura Mazda wanted it to. Like how you say the fall of Iblis led people astray, the reason we have suffering
5. All on this Zoroastrian children's website: http://www.zoroastriankids.com/creation.html

This is all very suspect, if you don't mind me saying. If we examine the life of the prophet Zarathustra (who also preached strict monotheism) we see so many similarities with Muhammad. I shall quote myself from the other topic:

There was a man who, in his thirties, started receiving revelations from an angel of god. He was a good man, but those in power didn't appreciate his preaching. Those in power offered him everything, but still he kept on preaching, determined that people should know the truth.

If you thought I was talking about Zarathustra you'd be correct. But you'd also be correct if you thought I was talking about Muhammad. Isn't that interesting? When the marauders from southern Arabia invaded Persia they must have copied from the Zarathustrians. Wow!

Video for more information:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAJVKbVRPZU

(1)And even though Allah loves humans Allah does nothing to stop Iblis? How can a mere human do battle with such a powerful entity as Iblis? That is what is expected of us, yes? Answer:Allah gave Satan free-will to disobey. When he disobeyed Allah, Allah evicted him from Paradise. This made Satan extremely upset so he promised to lead the sons of Adam astray, thinking he was threatening Allah in a way. So Allah tells him "You and anyone who follows your lead I will certainly fill Hell with. But I assure you, you will only lead astray those whom I chose not to guide, for those whom I guide none can lead them astray"


(2)If Allah came and told me to bow to Adam I would bow down, because I know that I would lose any fight with Allah. There is nothing to be gained from not bowing down. Allah, the creator of everything, will win in the end - not matter what - so why bother fighting? Answer:The reason Satan (Iblis) didn't bow to Adam pbuh was because of his pride and arrogance. His creator, Allah specifically said "Prostrate (in honor) to MY GREATEST CREATION ADAM" Iblis told himself "I know Allah is my creator and The Lord of the entire universe, but I am better than Adam because I'm made from FIRE and he is made from clay. So regardless of what my All-Knowing Lord Allah says, I know I'm better than Adam". And to this day Allah is still the All-Forgiving God who forgives ALL SINS except dying in a state of disbelief or polytheism. Satan knows this, but because of his pride he has not repented and asked Allah for His forgiveness yet. He continues to tell himself "I am better than Adam regardless of what Allah says". And my question to u my friend is Since Allah is commanding u to his straight path of Islam for ur own bettering, and u know u can't defeat Allah, why haven't u accepted Islam and worship Allah alone as ur only god? If u know He is God and u fear His power and His wrath but also desire His guidance and His mercy, shouldn't u obey His command?

(3)Would you say the hellfire is an absence of Allah? If so, then Allah cannot be "omnipresent" because Allah cannot be in all places at once if Allah is not also in the hellfire. What business does Allah have in the hellfire? Does Allah know what it feels like to suffer in the hellfire? Answer: Allah is All-Seeing, All-Knowing and has dominion over ALL things this includes Hellfire. We can't look at Allah as physically being in something because He has no physical form. Of course He knows what Hellfire feels like. He created it. He created it to give pain, and torment to His creatures that will abide in it due to their deeds in this life. This is why He gives us many explanations of the humiliating, painful punishments of Hellfire. He knows how it will affect its denizens and what they will feel and how excruciating the pain will be because He created exactly to be that way. So in the Qur'an take full note of the pains and descriptions of Hellfire and also the pleasures and bliss of Paradise and decide which u would rather be in, and base ur belief and actions to meeting that goal.

(4)This story in the Quran about Iblis has a lot in common with the creation story of the Zarathustrians, which I elaborate on below. Did you also know that Zarathustrians are also required to wash before prayers (their version of wudu) and pray five times a day? (they have their own version of Salah too). Answer: These were Persians who were near Arabia and the Middle East. So many of their cultures and lifestyles (aside from religion and worship), had similarities with Islam. All of God's prophets pbut all, prayed to God alone. If u read in the bible Genesis 17:3 Abraham pbuh fell on his face and prayed to God. Just as Jesus pbuh fell on his face and prayed to God in Matthew 26:39 and Mark 14:35. If u notice we as Muslims to this day fall on our faces when we pray to God, just as prophets of old pbut and those who followed their true teachings did. Ablution or washing with water before prayer is a form of cleansing physically and spiritually before we stand before our creator in prayer.

(5)There was a man who, in his thirties, started receiving revelations from an angel of god. He was a good man, but those in power didn't appreciate his preaching. Those in power offered him everything, but still he kept on preaching, determined that people should know the truth.

If you thought I was talking about Zarathustra you'd be correct. But you'd also be correct if you thought I was talking about Muhammad. Isn't that interesting? When the marauders from southern Arabia invaded Persia they must have copied from the Zarathustrians. Wow! Answer: Well Prophet Muhammad pbuh was 40 years old when he first received the revelation from Angel Gabriel pbuh. Aside from this all of God's prophets were revealed their prophecy through God's Angel Gabriel pbuh and at all different years of age. Except Moses pbuh whom God spoke to directly at the burning bush on Mt. Sinai. So point being this false Persian religion copied many revelations of God to His true prophets pbut in His true religion.