(June 5, 2016 at 1:46 pm)SteveII Wrote:(June 5, 2016 at 11:05 am)IATIA Wrote: The book is a fact. The table is a fact. Tomorrow the book will still be a book and the table will still be a table. The book is on the table is true. If I move the book to a chair, it is no longer true that the book is on the table, but it is still a fact that the book is a book and the table is a table. Facts are unchanging, truths are relative and subjective.
The problem you are having with this your usage of the word fact. A fact is a property, a description of knowledge, "what is the case". The book nor the table are facts--they are objects. Declaring a statement as fact is the same as declaring it to be true. So your conclusion "facts are unchanging, truths are relative and subjective" is a contradiction.
A fact is something that has really occurred or is actually the case.
Truth is most often used to mean being in accord with fact or reality
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-- Homer Simpson
God has no place within these walls, just as facts have no place within organized religion.
-- Superintendent Chalmers
Science is like a blabbermouth who ruins a movie by telling you how it ends. There are some things we don't want to know. Important things.
-- Ned Flanders
Once something's been approved by the government, it's no longer immoral.
-- The Rev Lovejoy
