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Take some fucking responsibility!
RE: Take some fucking responsibility!
(June 9, 2016 at 7:07 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:
(June 9, 2016 at 4:43 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: What a terrible and irrelevant argument.  Yes, honestly if I went through that I would probably react pretty emotionally.  However, as I said before, we don't have (and shouldn't have) a legal system based on emotional responses to situations.  

"What if you were locked up with 1000 rapists?" Yeesh.

Yet your responses to me have leaned heavily on punishment. What is that if not an emotional response?

I honestly have no idea where you're going with this, Thump.  I also don't see why my position is so hard to understand.  I'm focusing on punishment because that is what the courts sentence a criminal for, in our current justice system; they are enforceable penalties for committing a crime.  I've explicitly stated multiple times that this sentencing of punishment should NOT be emotional, as best as we can make it anyway.  I've also literally agreed that if I experienced something like this personally, that I would be extremely emotional, and would very likely very much want the people who did that to me to be sentenced to death.  But hey, as I said, we don't make laws and sentencing based on the emotional response of the victims, because that's a can of worms on a slippery slope.

Is forcing someone to modify their body okay if it's not punishment? In some circumstances, yes, like mandatory vaccinations.  

I've ALSO said multiple times in this thread that I don't believe that prisons should be about punishment, and that they should be about rehabilitation.  WHICH IS WHY I'M AGAIN CASTRATION AND THE DEATH PENALTY IN THE FIRST PLACE.  You literally just asked me "what good do you think is served to society by punishing criminals as opposed to rehabilitating them?"  I've been saying that exact same freaking thing.  That's why I'm against these punishments.

It's a complicated issue, but I've clearly and explicitly said things that have already answered your objections, and it seems like you're implying that I am advocating for things which I am very obviously against.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
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Take some fucking responsibility! - by The Valkyrie - June 8, 2016 at 7:38 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Minimalist - June 8, 2016 at 8:28 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Jackalope - June 8, 2016 at 8:29 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Minimalist - June 8, 2016 at 8:33 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Jackalope - June 8, 2016 at 8:36 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Joods - June 8, 2016 at 11:06 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by The Valkyrie - June 8, 2016 at 11:08 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by J a c k - June 8, 2016 at 8:37 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Mermaid - June 8, 2016 at 8:39 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Jackalope - June 8, 2016 at 8:41 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by LastPoet - June 9, 2016 at 8:26 am
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RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by LastPoet - June 9, 2016 at 12:25 pm
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RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Jackalope - June 8, 2016 at 9:29 pm
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RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Mermaid - June 9, 2016 at 8:15 am
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RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Jackalope - June 9, 2016 at 10:00 am
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by mlmooney89 - June 9, 2016 at 9:57 am
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Brian37 - June 9, 2016 at 10:09 am
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RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 9, 2016 at 3:42 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 9, 2016 at 4:12 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 9, 2016 at 4:14 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 9, 2016 at 4:49 pm
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RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by mlmooney89 - June 9, 2016 at 12:30 pm
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RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Minimalist - June 9, 2016 at 1:38 pm
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RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by FatAndFaithless - June 9, 2016 at 7:13 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 9, 2016 at 4:57 pm
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RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 9, 2016 at 5:24 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 9, 2016 at 9:04 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Pat Mustard - June 10, 2016 at 10:05 am
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by mlmooney89 - June 9, 2016 at 5:27 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 9, 2016 at 5:27 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by abaris - June 9, 2016 at 6:46 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by abaris - June 9, 2016 at 4:41 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 9, 2016 at 4:20 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 9, 2016 at 4:53 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 9, 2016 at 7:15 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Pat Mustard - June 10, 2016 at 10:11 am
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 9, 2016 at 4:17 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Minimalist - June 9, 2016 at 4:37 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by mlmooney89 - June 9, 2016 at 4:59 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 9, 2016 at 6:42 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 9, 2016 at 7:11 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 9, 2016 at 9:07 pm
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RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by LastPoet - June 10, 2016 at 10:25 am
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by mlmooney89 - June 10, 2016 at 11:11 am
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RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by The Valkyrie - June 10, 2016 at 12:03 am
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Jackalope - June 10, 2016 at 12:06 am
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RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Pat Mustard - June 10, 2016 at 10:34 am
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 10, 2016 at 5:57 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 10, 2016 at 12:34 am
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Thumpalumpacus - June 10, 2016 at 11:10 am
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 10, 2016 at 11:24 am
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 10, 2016 at 8:48 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 11, 2016 at 12:53 am
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 11, 2016 at 4:35 am
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Minimalist - June 11, 2016 at 12:35 pm
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RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by IATIA - June 11, 2016 at 5:59 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 11, 2016 at 6:54 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 11, 2016 at 7:05 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 11, 2016 at 7:18 pm
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RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 11, 2016 at 11:27 pm
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RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 12, 2016 at 6:49 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 12, 2016 at 5:32 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by mlmooney89 - June 13, 2016 at 11:22 am
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Losty - June 14, 2016 at 3:51 pm
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RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Edwardo Piet - June 12, 2016 at 9:06 pm
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RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Edwardo Piet - June 13, 2016 at 11:09 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by mlmooney89 - June 14, 2016 at 3:53 pm
RE: Take some fucking responsibility! - by Minimalist - June 26, 2016 at 3:43 pm
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