20 dead in Orlando gay club shooting

[Thumpalumpacus]

What the actual fuck, Huggy? Why do you think you're allowed to lie? You should probably watch out for the various cactii while you're in there.

Hold up! I'm lying? About what exactly?

Here are my exact quotes.

There were 8,124 homicides involving firearms in 2014, and according to the NHTSA, there were 32,675 traffic fatalities in 2014.

Yet four times as many people die every year from automobiles than guns.

That's kinda the point isn't it? Automobiles aren't designed to kill, actually it's quite the opposite, they are designed to adhere to strict safety regulations, yet they kill four times as many people as the thing that's actually designed to kill.

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Last time I checked 32,000 is FOUR TIMES AS MANY as 8,000.

You quoting me as stating "four times as likely" is false.

No... it's really not. People don't generally drive automobiles with the intent to injure or kill with them. Accidents happening is an unfortunate side effect that happens at a lower and lower rate as safety and security features improve. On top of that, gun deaths are on the rise, sometimes accidentally, and often intentionally.

On top of that, according to the CDC, guns are more likely to kill, so his "four times more likely" snippet is a blatant lie.

*emphasis mine*

Now who's the liar?

What you don't seem to understand is that you need to have use rates of each item in order to compute the likelihood of death arising from usage.

Four times as many people may die in auto accidents each year, but how many people drive (or ride, for that matter -- autos kill passengers, too) how many miles each year, compared to how many people fire how many rounds each year? Those facts are needed to compute likelihood. This is why any claim of autos being "four times more likely" to cause death is empty: the requisite data hasn't been presented.