20 dead in Orlando gay club shooting

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What the actual fuck, Huggy? Why do you think you're allowed to lie? You should probably watch out for the various cactii while you're in there.

Hold up! I'm lying? About what exactly?

Here are my exact quotes.

There were 8,124 homicides involving firearms in 2014, and according to the NHTSA, there were 32,675 traffic fatalities in 2014.

Yet four times as many people die every year from automobiles than guns.

That's kinda the point isn't it? Automobiles aren't designed to kill, actually it's quite the opposite, they are designed to adhere to strict safety regulations, yet they kill four times as many people as the thing that's actually designed to kill.

*emphasis mine*

Last time I checked 32,000 is FOUR TIMES AS MANY as 8,000.

You quoting me as stating "four times as likely" is false.

No... it's really not. People don't generally drive automobiles with the intent to injure or kill with them. Accidents happening is an unfortunate side effect that happens at a lower and lower rate as safety and security features improve. On top of that, gun deaths are on the rise, sometimes accidentally, and often intentionally.

On top of that, according to the CDC, guns are more likely to kill, so his "four times more likely" snippet is a blatant lie.

*emphasis mine*

Now who's the liar?

I made the mistake of missing that you specified "homicides". You're equivocating by only counting homicides when it comes to firearms but not to cars. Second, I couldn't find any actual numbers for homicide by gun in 2014, and since you don't cite your sources (I wonder why that could be), I have to go with 2013.

Wikipedia (bold mine):

Gun violence in the United States results in thousands of deaths and injuries annually.[1] According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in 2013, firearms were used in 84,258 nonfatal injuries (26.65 per 100,000 U.S. citizens) [2] and 11,208 deaths by homicide (3.5 per 100,000),[3] 21,175 by suicide with a firearm,[4] 505 deaths due to accidental discharge of a firearm,[4] and 281 deaths due to firearms-use with "undetermined intent"[5] for a total of 33,169 deaths related to firearms (excluding firearm deaths due to legal intervention). 1.3% of all deaths in the country were related to firearms.[1][6]

Where there were 32,719 vehicular deaths in 2013, and even fewer in 2014 at 32,675.