20 dead in Orlando gay club shooting

[Huggy Bear]

Hold up! I'm lying? About what exactly?

Here are my exact quotes.


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Last time I checked 32,000 is FOUR TIMES AS MANY as 8,000.

You quoting me as stating "four times as likely" is false.

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Now who's the liar?

I made the mistake of missing that you specified "homicides". You're equivocating by only counting homicides when it comes to firearms but not to cars. Second, I couldn't find any actual numbers for homicide by gun in 2014, and since you don't cite your sources (I wonder why that could be), I have to go with 2013.

Wikipedia (bold mine):

Gun violence in the United States results in thousands of deaths and injuries annually.[1] According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in 2013, firearms were used in 84,258 nonfatal injuries (26.65 per 100,000 U.S. citizens) [2] and 11,208 deaths by homicide (3.5 per 100,000),[3] 21,175 by suicide with a firearm,[4] 505 deaths due to accidental discharge of a firearm,[4] and 281 deaths due to firearms-use with "undetermined intent"[5] for a total of 33,169 deaths related to firearms (excluding firearm deaths due to legal intervention). 1.3% of all deaths in the country were related to firearms.[1][6]

Where there were 32,719 vehicular deaths in 2013, and even fewer in 2014 at 32,675.

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So your basically tacking on suicide which can be achieved by means other than firearms... You seriously can't be suggesting that less guns means less suicide.

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What are you talking about? You can compare the two just fine, dead is dead, there really is no ambiguity. 8000 people died by firearms in 2014 as compared to the 32,000 that died by automobile... see?

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There. There's your lie. More than 33,000 people died via firearms in 2013 (your 2014 date isn't turning up any results for me), not counting death-by-cop. See my sources (gasp! Sources???) above.

I did post sources btw.

According to the FBI
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cr...0-2014.xls

There were 8,124 homicides involving firearms in 2014, and according to the NHTSA, there were 32,675 traffic fatalities in 2014.
http://www.nhtsa.gov/About+NHTSA/Press+R...ing-higher

It would seem that automobiles are the bigger threat, why not work big to small and start by banning them?

See? sources.