20 dead in Orlando gay club shooting

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Then start another thread for debating gun control. The killing in Orlando was a terrorist attack spurred on by ISIS. How will more gun control laws stop terrorists from attacking the U.S.? Do you think more laws are going to stop them?

Stop? No. Unlike you, I would never be that simplistic in my thinking.

Hinder? Yes. Oh yes. And do a lot of good besides that. And, perhaps, begin the process of changing the worst parts of your culture just a bit, so that maybe the enemies of your country- and mine, by the way- have a few less reasons to hate you.

But if all you want is a simple, one-step solution that solves the problem one hundred percent, I can't give that to you, and neither can you propose one. I will observe, however, that those demanding an all-or-nothing solution, and only that type of solution, tend to be the ones with ideological reasons behind their opposition to people offering real- if not comprehensive- solutions that drive their opposition. Driven into a corner, unable to defend your personal, petty wants rationally and too prideful and unwilling to cede any ground at all to reasonable regulation, you and those like you seek to shift the frame of the problem to one where we must seek the impossible, or do nothing at all.

I love that all the pro-gun peeps here, burbling on about box cutters and demanding we focus on ISIS...

You're saying that ISIS and terrorism isn't a problem, and gun control is the cure all for stopping terrorist attacks?

See, like right here: you've got no actual argument, I've pointed out a very clear historical precedent for all the good actually moderate gun control does that you're ideologically bound to ignore, so instead of addressing what I really said, you take half of one sentence in a larger piece and try to use that to spin off into some ridiculous, cartoon caricature of my words. You have nothing substantive to say, no real response to give, and so you're relegated to attempting to silence me via strawman.

On the off chance that you actually took what you said away from my longer post, that you really do believe the insipid falsity you try to put into my mouth there, let me state it in shorter words, for the "one sentence, hey, he disagrees with me, better not read any more," crowd: ISIS and terrorism are problems. Gun violence is also a problem, one that is a larger issue in which terrorism is often a subset of the problem, and one that disproportionately affects America due to its untrammeled access to guns. One can assuage- not cure, but assuage- both terrorism and gun violence, without FEMA communist death squads tekking yur gurns, by enacting sensible gun legislation that requires some minimal criteria from potential gun owners, and restricts the types of guns available for sale, and the evidence for this is all the other countries for which that has worked, and the disproportionately high levels of gun violence in this one country, which refuses to consider such laws. Such legislation would only be one step in a larger process involving multiple approaches, but in both the short and long term, it is a sensible and worthwhile step to take that would make the US safer.

Also, you ought to be ashamed of yourself for your utterly dishonest conduct here. But I know you won't be: shame is hard to come by for certain people who place their toys above the lives of innocent people.