RE: 20 dead in Orlando gay club shooting
June 13, 2016 at 9:59 pm
(This post was last modified: June 13, 2016 at 10:00 pm by Thumpalumpacus.)
(June 13, 2016 at 8:52 pm)Homeless Nutter Wrote: But whatever, fine - I wasn't arguing, that guns make people want to kill themselves - not in any statistically significant numbers, anyway. They only facilitate a speedy solution. Which at the end of the day - influences statistics, like suicide rates.
I don't think anyone here doubts the efficiency of guns in killing. But I'm pretty sure anyone here who has been there knows that ideation precedes the act ... and those set on their course aren't going to be put out for lack of a one-second solution. People close their garage doors and sit in their cars for twenty minutes, people go out of their ways to save enough from their prescription to combine that with a little vodka for the end-run.
The inclusion of suicides in gun statistics is fallacious for this reason: suicides are voluntary. Just as Huggy included irrelevant data to "support"his argument, so is anyone including suicides in gun deaths doing the same.
Hell, if I wanted to, I could drive off a cliff, and validate a gun-nut's comparison to automobiles ... but would you accept my suicide as statistically valid?
