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Why the religious will never admit you won the argument (and why they don't care)

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RE: Why the religious will never admit you won the argument (and why they don't care)

June 17, 2016 at 9:56 am

Fair enough - did you read the link at the bottom to Iron Chariots wiki page detailing the Kalam and why it doesn't hold up?

If you think there is a way of presenting it that does hold up are welcome to put it forward here. So far I don't find it convincing. It's cleaver, but on closer inspection it is ultimately flawed.

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Why the religious will never admit you won the argument (and why they don't care) - by Veritas_Vincit - June 15, 2016 at 7:13 pm

RE: Why the religious will never admit you won the argument (and why they don't care) - by Losty - June 15, 2016 at 8:15 pm

RE: Why the religious will never admit you won the argument (and why they don't care) - by Veritas_Vincit - June 15, 2016 at 8:17 pm

RE: Why the religious will never admit you won the argument (and why they don't care) - by Losty - June 15, 2016 at 8:19 pm

RE: Why the religious will never admit you won the argument (and why they don't care) - by ApeNotKillApe - June 15, 2016 at 8:20 pm

RE: Why the religious will never admit you won the argument (and why they don't care) - by brewer - June 15, 2016 at 8:26 pm

RE: Why the religious will never admit you won the argument (and why they don't care) - by ignoramus - June 16, 2016 at 8:14 am

RE: Why the religious will never admit you won the argument (and why they don't care) - by robvalue - June 16, 2016 at 8:18 am

RE: Why the religious will never admit you won the argument (and why they don't care) - by ignoramus - June 16, 2016 at 8:32 am

RE: Why the religious will never admit you won the argument (and why they don't care) - by RoadRunner79 - June 16, 2016 at 11:59 am

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RE: Why the religious will never admit you won the argument (and why they don't care) - by Veritas_Vincit - June 16, 2016 at 9:44 am

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