RE: Why the religious will never admit you won the argument (and why they don't care)
June 17, 2016 at 2:36 pm
(June 17, 2016 at 1:50 pm)madog Wrote:(June 17, 2016 at 1:40 pm)SteveII Wrote: I posted this a couple of months ago in another thread:
Okay, say we take the US statistic of 85% of Christians were born into a Christian home. You are claiming that these people only stay because of the "brainwashing" they received as children. The 15% adult conversions are exceptions...or (319 million US population x 70.6% Christians = 225 million x 85% born into Christian homes) = 191 million people. And this is in the wealthiest country with vast amounts of information available to anyone with access to a computer (to say nothing about the education system's attempt to undermine faith).
I don't think the numbers support your conclusion.
? you have posted figures that support my proposition .... 85% are born into Christian homes and 15% try to fit in with their community ...
What are the rate of Christian Conversions in a non Christian country?
How can you say "15% try to fit in with their community"? You have just ascribed a reason to a person's conversion that you have no way of knowing.
According to Wikipedia (note the countries that would not support your conclusion for "fitting in" or being "born into it):
- According to the World Christian Encyclopedia, approximately 2.7 million converting to Christianity annually from another religion, World Christian Encyclopedia also cited that Christianity rank at first place in net gains through religious conversion.[9]
- Studies estimate significantly more people have converted from Islam to Christianity in the 21st century than at any other point in Islamic history.[10] Conversion into Christianity have also been well documented, and reports estimate that hundreds of thousands of Muslims convert to Christianity annually, significant numbers of Muslims converts to Christianity can be found in Afghanistan, Albania,[11] Azerbaijan,[12][13] Algeria,[14] Belgium,[15] Bulgaria,[16][17] France,[18] Germany,[19] Indonesia,[20]Iran,[21][22][23][24] Kazakhstan,[25] Kyrgyzstan,[26] Malaysia,[27] Morocco,[28][29] Netherlands,[30] Russia,[31] Saudi Arabia,[32] Tunisia,[33] Turkey,[34][35][36][37] Kosovo,[38] TheUnited States[39] and Central Asia etc.[40][41] Many of the Muslims who converts to Christianity faces social rejection or imprisonment and sometimes murder or penalty, for becoming Christians.[42]
- Data from the Pew Research Center that as of 2013, about 1.6 million adult American Jews identify themselves as Christians, most are Protestant.[43][44][45] According to same data most of the Jews who identify themselves as some sort of Christian (1.6 million) were raised as Jews or are Jews by ancestry.[44] Data from 2013, show that 64,000 Argentine Jews identify themselves as Christians.[46] According to 2012 study 17% of Jews in Russia identify themselves as Christians.[47][48]
- It's been also reported that conversion into Christianity is significantly increasing among Korean,[49] Chinese,[50] and Japanese in the United States.[51] By 2012 percentage of Christians on mentioned communities was 71%, more than 30% and 37%,[52]
- Due to conversion, the number of Chinese Christians has increased significantly; from 4 million before 1949 to 67 million in 2010.[53][54]
- Due to conversion, Christianity has grown in South Korea, from 2.0% in 1945[55] to 29.3% in 2010.[53]