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What makes a religion?
RE: What makes a religion?
(June 17, 2016 at 5:36 pm)Losty Wrote: The idea I'm getting is that you're arrogant enough to genuinely believe you get to just make crap up about what I believe or what my religion is. Is that the idea you were intending to portray?
From my perspective, I'm saying we either embrace the falsehood and follow that as the judgement by which we live our lives by, and there is many instances of falsehood and it has many faces, but at the end, it's negation of the truth or we follow the truth and God's pleasure.
You can say you don't believe in a religion, that's fine, I'm saying this is true of outward convention word of religion, but if we look at when you ask people why they follow a religion, it's either it's because that is what they deem is the true way to live, or it's because they feel it gives them peace or they feel they should follow because it's the wise way to live your life.
I'm saying however if this was truth, if this was the reason, we would all be on one outward religion. Obviously people of various religions are choosing falsehood and it's not due to it being the true path or it having the peace and tranquility or it being the wise way to live life.
I'm saying in reality, people's religion is inclination to falsehood over all. Most people incline to a false religion. If worship of God was the intention, we would not be mixing in falsehood in attributing to God. 

So I'm saying while we claim all to an outward path, our intentions, because we follow false religions, are something else. And we always go by what we claim and our tongues testify to, or we can see, what is our hearts really following?

And you will see most people incline to confirm society, to follow their leaders or sect they are born into, and it has little to do with their devotion to God. In fact, God is made as a means towards what they value more in society and in themselves. 

Like the other Atheist (forget his name), he mentioned, number 1 reason people believe has nothing to do with arguments or proofs, but with identity. I'm Christian therefore I believe in this and that. Not I believe in this and that, therefore I'm Christian

Yet all religions claim to follow the truth, to be devoted to it. So there is some disconnect from what we outwardly are claiming, and what we inwardly are doing.

And when it comes to what we inwardly are following, it has to do with various reasons, but mostly as the other person said in the thread (that you guys all gave kudos to), that it has to do with identity. 

This identity to me from my perspective is not our true identity. It's a trick from Satan. Satan tells you are born in this religion, take pride in it, do everything to confirm it, but I believe the true nature of humanity is to seek the truth and not try to conform to society.

I believe at the end, if we can incline to the light within that is devoted to God, then the path becomes easy. But if we follow the unclean inspiration from Satan and cling to the false world it creates within us and in our imagination outwardly, that is our path, that is our religion, that is what we worship.  Satan becomes the world because everything becomes an instance of our devotion to him. We may not see it now, because, that is part of the deception of Iblis, he doesn't want you to awaken to his dark magic on the heart, he doesn't want you to be distressed on the evil, and he wants us all to think we are good and if we die, surely we will return to something better.

I can't explain why God allowed us to be afflicted by this virus. I can't really. But it seems God judgement is if we not going to defeat it and overcome it, we are not really worthy of his protection in the first place. It's a mercy from God that he has warned us and tried to awaken us, and inspired his friends to help us.

But I've come to realize this do or die thing. We either take the leap of faith and see where it leads us, or we perish.  At the words are suppose to convey things to help us understand things or describe things.

I see humanity either is devoted to the Taghut or devoted to God. There religion is either that of falsehood or the truth. You can call instance of the falsehood all sorts of things, but it's falsehood. The intention in all of them is not the result of truthful awakening or truth seeking.

The intention is something more sinister, more dark. And it's the darkness and the light, these are the two religions to me.

You may get upset because you don't like this perspective but my goal is not to make you guys upset.
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Messages In This Thread
What makes a religion? - by robvalue - June 15, 2016 at 10:22 am
RE: What makes a religion? - by FatAndFaithless - June 15, 2016 at 10:24 am
RE: What makes a religion? - by robvalue - June 15, 2016 at 10:26 am
RE: What makes a religion? - by FatAndFaithless - June 15, 2016 at 10:27 am
RE: What makes a religion? - by mlmooney89 - June 15, 2016 at 10:34 am
RE: What makes a religion? - by FatAndFaithless - June 15, 2016 at 10:42 am
RE: What makes a religion? - by Spirian - June 15, 2016 at 10:39 am
RE: What makes a religion? - by FatAndFaithless - June 15, 2016 at 10:43 am
RE: What makes a religion? - by Cyberman - June 15, 2016 at 10:59 am
RE: What makes a religion? - by robvalue - June 15, 2016 at 11:21 am
RE: What makes a religion? - by Losty - June 17, 2016 at 4:15 am
RE: What makes a religion? - by Mister Agenda - June 17, 2016 at 3:24 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by FatAndFaithless - June 15, 2016 at 11:26 am
RE: What makes a religion? - by Spirian - June 15, 2016 at 11:28 am
RE: What makes a religion? - by The Grand Nudger - June 15, 2016 at 11:28 am
RE: What makes a religion? - by The Grand Nudger - June 15, 2016 at 11:33 am
RE: What makes a religion? - by Rhondazvous - June 15, 2016 at 12:34 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by robvalue - June 15, 2016 at 11:33 am
RE: What makes a religion? - by FatAndFaithless - June 15, 2016 at 11:36 am
RE: What makes a religion? - by The Grand Nudger - June 15, 2016 at 11:41 am
RE: What makes a religion? - by robvalue - June 15, 2016 at 12:42 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Rhondazvous - June 18, 2016 at 6:01 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by The Grand Nudger - June 15, 2016 at 3:04 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Angrboda - June 15, 2016 at 4:23 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by madog - June 15, 2016 at 5:21 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by robvalue - June 16, 2016 at 5:40 am
RE: What makes a religion? - by madog - June 16, 2016 at 6:16 am
RE: What makes a religion? - by ignoramus - June 15, 2016 at 5:51 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Dystopia - June 16, 2016 at 6:14 am
RE: What makes a religion? - by robvalue - June 16, 2016 at 8:02 am
RE: What makes a religion? - by madog - June 16, 2016 at 8:26 am
RE: What makes a religion? - by robvalue - June 16, 2016 at 8:28 am
RE: What makes a religion? - by Edwardo Piet - June 16, 2016 at 2:29 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by ignoramus - June 16, 2016 at 8:33 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Edwardo Piet - June 16, 2016 at 9:20 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by robvalue - June 17, 2016 at 3:54 am
RE: What makes a religion? - by Edwardo Piet - June 17, 2016 at 11:25 am
RE: What makes a religion? - by Minimalist - June 17, 2016 at 11:47 am
RE: What makes a religion? - by MysticKnight - June 17, 2016 at 1:47 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Mister Agenda - June 17, 2016 at 3:38 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Minimalist - June 17, 2016 at 2:54 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by robvalue - June 17, 2016 at 3:18 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by MysticKnight - June 17, 2016 at 3:48 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by madog - June 17, 2016 at 6:26 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by MysticKnight - June 17, 2016 at 6:35 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by madog - June 17, 2016 at 6:57 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Edwardo Piet - June 17, 2016 at 3:21 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by robvalue - June 17, 2016 at 3:23 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by robvalue - June 17, 2016 at 3:31 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Edwardo Piet - June 17, 2016 at 3:51 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by robvalue - June 17, 2016 at 3:41 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Losty - June 17, 2016 at 3:41 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Losty - June 17, 2016 at 3:49 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by MysticKnight - June 17, 2016 at 3:51 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Losty - June 17, 2016 at 3:53 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by MysticKnight - June 17, 2016 at 3:58 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Mister Agenda - June 17, 2016 at 4:16 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by robvalue - June 17, 2016 at 3:59 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by MysticKnight - June 17, 2016 at 4:05 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by The Grand Nudger - June 17, 2016 at 4:00 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Edwardo Piet - June 17, 2016 at 4:02 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by MysticKnight - June 17, 2016 at 4:09 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by IATIA - June 17, 2016 at 4:16 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Edwardo Piet - June 17, 2016 at 4:16 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Losty - June 17, 2016 at 4:06 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by robvalue - June 17, 2016 at 4:08 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Edwardo Piet - June 17, 2016 at 4:08 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Losty - June 17, 2016 at 4:10 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by MysticKnight - June 17, 2016 at 4:11 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Losty - June 17, 2016 at 4:14 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by MysticKnight - June 17, 2016 at 4:37 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Losty - June 17, 2016 at 4:40 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Mister Agenda - June 17, 2016 at 4:18 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by robvalue - June 17, 2016 at 4:13 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Losty - June 17, 2016 at 4:15 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Edwardo Piet - June 17, 2016 at 4:13 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by MysticKnight - June 17, 2016 at 4:20 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Mister Agenda - June 17, 2016 at 4:22 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by MysticKnight - June 17, 2016 at 4:28 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Edwardo Piet - June 17, 2016 at 4:36 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Edwardo Piet - June 17, 2016 at 4:22 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Edwardo Piet - June 17, 2016 at 4:39 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Edwardo Piet - June 17, 2016 at 4:42 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Edwardo Piet - June 17, 2016 at 4:43 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by MysticKnight - June 17, 2016 at 4:44 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by ApeNotKillApe - June 17, 2016 at 4:47 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Losty - June 17, 2016 at 4:49 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by MysticKnight - June 17, 2016 at 4:53 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Losty - June 17, 2016 at 4:54 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by MysticKnight - June 17, 2016 at 5:01 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by robvalue - June 17, 2016 at 4:53 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Edwardo Piet - June 17, 2016 at 4:54 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by The Grand Nudger - June 17, 2016 at 4:56 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Losty - June 17, 2016 at 5:03 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by MysticKnight - June 17, 2016 at 5:06 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by The Grand Nudger - June 17, 2016 at 5:04 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Losty - June 17, 2016 at 5:05 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by MysticKnight - June 17, 2016 at 5:07 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Losty - June 17, 2016 at 5:08 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Losty - June 17, 2016 at 5:07 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Edwardo Piet - June 17, 2016 at 5:08 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by The Grand Nudger - June 17, 2016 at 5:08 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by MysticKnight - June 17, 2016 at 5:15 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Edwardo Piet - June 17, 2016 at 5:17 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Losty - June 17, 2016 at 5:21 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by MysticKnight - June 17, 2016 at 5:33 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by MysticKnight - June 17, 2016 at 5:19 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Edwardo Piet - June 17, 2016 at 5:23 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Losty - June 17, 2016 at 5:36 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by MysticKnight - June 17, 2016 at 6:16 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Edwardo Piet - June 17, 2016 at 6:19 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Losty - June 17, 2016 at 6:28 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by MysticKnight - June 17, 2016 at 6:40 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Losty - June 17, 2016 at 6:49 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by MysticKnight - June 17, 2016 at 6:58 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Losty - June 17, 2016 at 7:06 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by MysticKnight - June 17, 2016 at 7:11 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Foxaèr - June 17, 2016 at 7:14 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by MysticKnight - June 17, 2016 at 7:19 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Foxaèr - June 17, 2016 at 7:22 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Losty - June 17, 2016 at 7:29 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by MysticKnight - June 17, 2016 at 7:32 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Losty - June 17, 2016 at 7:37 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by MysticKnight - June 17, 2016 at 7:50 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Angrboda - June 17, 2016 at 8:01 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Foxaèr - June 17, 2016 at 6:59 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Edwardo Piet - June 17, 2016 at 7:02 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Foxaèr - June 17, 2016 at 7:40 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by The Grand Nudger - June 17, 2016 at 7:52 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Heatheness - June 17, 2016 at 8:50 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Foxaèr - June 17, 2016 at 8:52 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Expired - June 18, 2016 at 6:15 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Whateverist - June 18, 2016 at 6:29 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Rhondazvous - June 18, 2016 at 6:52 pm
RE: What makes a religion? - by Darwins Disciple - June 26, 2016 at 8:38 am
RE: What makes a religion? - by Edwardo Piet - June 26, 2016 at 8:44 am
RE: What makes a religion? - by robvalue - June 27, 2016 at 2:33 pm

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