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No such thing as a "true" Christian
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RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian
(April 24, 2011 at 1:23 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: Faith - belief that is not based on proof.
Logic - the science that investigates the principles governing correct or reliable inference.
Faith. To quote Ryft, as he said it best, and that might be best understood by yourself:
Ryft Wrote:When it comes to Christianity, 'faith' is defined by three separate but vitally connected aspects (especially from Luther and Melancthon onwards): notitia (informational content), assensus (intellectual assent), and fiducia (committed trust). So faith is the sum of having the information, being persuaded of its truthfulness, and trusting in it. To illustrate the three aspects: "Christ died for ours sins" (notitia); "I am persuaded that Christ died for our sins" (notitia + assensus); "I deeply commit in trust to Christ who I am persuaded died for our sins" (notitia + assensus + fiducia). Only the latter constitutes faith, on the Christian view.
Faith has to be based on logically sound information, to be convincing enough that a person should commit to it. How can a person have faith in something they know to be false? I would suggest that to be an impossibility.

I have no faith in anything without reason, and I'd suggest that you are the same. I don't have faith in my fellow citizens doing the right thing; I have faith in them acting like humans.

Do you have a problem with any of that?
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No such thing as a "true" Christian - by reverendjeremiah - April 21, 2011 at 1:54 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by fr0d0 - April 21, 2011 at 2:16 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Cinjin - April 21, 2011 at 4:57 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Watson - April 21, 2011 at 5:10 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by fr0d0 - April 22, 2011 at 4:53 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Minimalist - April 21, 2011 at 5:54 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Rayaan - April 21, 2011 at 8:11 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by padraic - April 21, 2011 at 9:01 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Cinjin - April 22, 2011 at 1:33 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Rev. Rye - April 21, 2011 at 11:12 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Eleazar - April 22, 2011 at 5:08 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Godschild - April 22, 2011 at 12:54 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Zen Badger - April 22, 2011 at 2:36 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Godschild - April 22, 2011 at 10:15 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Strongbad - April 22, 2011 at 3:46 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Godschild - April 23, 2011 at 1:12 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Strongbad - April 23, 2011 at 8:16 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Godschild - April 24, 2011 at 2:34 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Skipper - April 23, 2011 at 1:44 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Strongbad - April 23, 2011 at 2:40 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Watson - April 24, 2011 at 12:04 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Skipper - April 26, 2011 at 8:30 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Godschild - April 24, 2011 at 2:16 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Zen Badger - April 24, 2011 at 2:30 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Godschild - April 24, 2011 at 3:22 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Zen Badger - April 24, 2011 at 3:35 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by fr0d0 - April 24, 2011 at 6:17 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by downbeatplumb - April 24, 2011 at 11:44 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by fr0d0 - April 24, 2011 at 1:56 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by fr0d0 - April 24, 2011 at 5:34 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Anomalocaris - April 24, 2011 at 6:23 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by KichigaiNeko - April 24, 2011 at 3:41 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Sarcasm - April 22, 2011 at 1:46 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Godschild - April 24, 2011 at 3:10 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Zen Badger - April 24, 2011 at 3:19 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Minimalist - April 23, 2011 at 1:35 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Watson - April 23, 2011 at 5:07 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Strongbad - April 23, 2011 at 7:36 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Minimalist - April 23, 2011 at 5:59 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by fr0d0 - April 23, 2011 at 8:28 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Shell B - April 23, 2011 at 8:37 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by fr0d0 - April 23, 2011 at 8:52 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Shell B - April 23, 2011 at 9:02 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Strongbad - April 24, 2011 at 11:13 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by fr0d0 - April 25, 2011 at 2:45 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Strongbad - April 25, 2011 at 7:16 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Zen Badger - April 23, 2011 at 8:41 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Minimalist - April 23, 2011 at 8:44 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Minimalist - April 23, 2011 at 9:35 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Zen Badger - April 23, 2011 at 9:48 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Watson - April 24, 2011 at 12:42 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Minimalist - April 24, 2011 at 1:27 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Watson - April 24, 2011 at 1:44 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Minimalist - April 24, 2011 at 2:56 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by KichigaiNeko - April 24, 2011 at 7:23 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by fr0d0 - April 24, 2011 at 1:00 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Minimalist - April 24, 2011 at 2:29 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Minimalist - April 24, 2011 at 4:07 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Anomalocaris - April 24, 2011 at 5:27 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Violet - April 24, 2011 at 6:06 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Minimalist - April 24, 2011 at 7:20 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Anomalocaris - April 24, 2011 at 9:30 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Minimalist - April 24, 2011 at 10:06 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Violet - April 25, 2011 at 1:27 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Anomalocaris - April 25, 2011 at 2:05 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Violet - April 25, 2011 at 2:20 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Anomalocaris - April 25, 2011 at 2:26 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Violet - April 25, 2011 at 2:30 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Anomalocaris - April 25, 2011 at 2:34 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Violet - April 25, 2011 at 2:36 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Anomalocaris - April 25, 2011 at 2:40 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Violet - April 25, 2011 at 4:24 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by fr0d0 - April 25, 2011 at 2:36 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Gawdzilla - April 25, 2011 at 2:53 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Strongbad - April 25, 2011 at 4:00 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by fr0d0 - April 25, 2011 at 6:26 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Strongbad - April 25, 2011 at 10:12 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by fr0d0 - April 26, 2011 at 2:42 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Strongbad - April 26, 2011 at 6:30 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Zen Badger - April 25, 2011 at 11:26 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Watson - April 26, 2011 at 7:51 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Zen Badger - April 26, 2011 at 10:12 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Watson - April 26, 2011 at 12:09 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Zen Badger - April 26, 2011 at 10:54 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by fr0d0 - April 25, 2011 at 3:06 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Gawdzilla - April 26, 2011 at 7:52 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Zen Badger - April 26, 2011 at 5:50 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by KichigaiNeko - April 26, 2011 at 9:25 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by theVOID - April 26, 2011 at 10:00 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Strongbad - April 26, 2011 at 10:41 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by fr0d0 - April 26, 2011 at 1:26 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Anomalocaris - April 26, 2011 at 1:50 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Strongbad - April 26, 2011 at 2:24 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by fr0d0 - April 26, 2011 at 5:55 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by theVOID - April 26, 2011 at 6:35 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by fr0d0 - April 26, 2011 at 6:59 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by theVOID - April 26, 2011 at 7:29 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by fr0d0 - April 29, 2011 at 4:20 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Strongbad - April 29, 2011 at 1:31 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by theVOID - April 26, 2011 at 5:30 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Zen Badger - April 26, 2011 at 11:06 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by theVOID - April 26, 2011 at 5:41 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by KichigaiNeko - April 26, 2011 at 10:11 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by theVOID - April 26, 2011 at 10:28 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by KichigaiNeko - April 26, 2011 at 10:36 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by theVOID - April 26, 2011 at 10:46 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by KichigaiNeko - April 26, 2011 at 12:16 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by fr0d0 - April 26, 2011 at 5:40 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Watson - April 26, 2011 at 10:59 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Watson - April 26, 2011 at 11:22 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Zen Badger - April 26, 2011 at 11:45 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Cinjin - April 26, 2011 at 11:51 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Watson - April 26, 2011 at 11:53 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by KichigaiNeko - April 27, 2011 at 12:17 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Zen Badger - April 27, 2011 at 12:37 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Watson - April 27, 2011 at 12:49 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Zen Badger - April 27, 2011 at 12:59 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Zen Badger - April 27, 2011 at 5:14 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by KichigaiNeko - April 27, 2011 at 5:23 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Zen Badger - April 27, 2011 at 9:11 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by KichigaiNeko - April 27, 2011 at 9:34 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Godschild - April 30, 2011 at 1:21 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by fr0d0 - April 29, 2011 at 4:48 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by fr0d0 - April 29, 2011 at 5:01 pm
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by tackattack - April 30, 2011 at 7:24 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Zen Badger - April 30, 2011 at 7:52 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by tackattack - April 30, 2011 at 7:55 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Zen Badger - April 30, 2011 at 7:58 am
RE: No such thing as a "true" Christian - by Gawdzilla - April 30, 2011 at 8:24 am

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