No such thing as a "true" Christian

[reverendjeremiah]

Faith - belief that is not based on proof.
Logic - the science that investigates the principles governing correct or reliable inference.

Faith. To quote Ryft, as he said it best, and that might be best understood by yourself:

When it comes to Christianity, 'faith' is defined by three separate but vitally connected aspects (especially from Luther and Melancthon onwards): notitia (informational content), assensus (intellectual assent), and fiducia (committed trust). So faith is the sum of having the information, being persuaded of its truthfulness, and trusting in it. To illustrate the three aspects: "Christ died for ours sins" (notitia); "I am persuaded that Christ died for our sins" (notitia + assensus); "I deeply commit in trust to Christ who I am persuaded died for our sins" (notitia + assensus + fiducia). Only the latter constitutes faith, on the Christian view.

Faith has to be based on logically sound information, to be convincing enough that a person should commit to it. How can a person have faith in something they know to be false? I would suggest that to be an impossibility.

I have no faith in anything without reason, and I'd suggest that you are the same. I don't have faith in my fellow citizens doing the right thing; I have faith in them acting like humans.

Do you have a problem with any of that?

Holy shit Fr0d0, I knew you were a bit daft, but I didnt realize you were this daft. Where in Luthers crap definition for fiath does logic come into play? Honestly "informational content" is supposed to be logic? But if you have logical proof then faith is no longer needed. And doesnt that mean that any old informational content could be construed as logic from which you come to fith by? So every single writing is logic to which justifies faith, and is therefore logically justified and faithfully justified?

Holy shit you are dense.

How can a person have faith in something they know to be false? I would suggest that to be an impossibility.

Not one single moment did I even SUGGEST that faith is automatically false. I even gave you examples of my faith..do you think my faith in my wife being true to me is absolutely false?

No..thats it..Im done discussing faith with you fr0d0. Im not in the mood to see you flip around and rewrite basic definitions.. I will have no part of that.