(June 20, 2016 at 11:48 am)Constable Dorfl Wrote:(June 20, 2016 at 10:37 am)madog Wrote: I wasn't saying anything about Ireland but the UK which is not secular .... I merely pointed out it was secular, which it is .....
I have no inner understanding of Ireland, USA or any other secular system ....
In terms of how each state works, I'd rate the UK (minus Northern Ireland, which is a special kind of basket case) as far more secular than Ireland. In the UK you've got a state religion but it doesn't interfere in what the state does all that much, whereas in Ireland you've no state religion, but the "majority" religion still interferes far too much in too many areas (for example, our current non-abortion law says that if a woman has an abortion in Ireland she can be jailed for up to 14 years along with the doctor who performs the operation, leading to stuff like this {caution: The situation described is pretty gruesome}).
That's what happens when a country lets religion have too much power.
I don't disagree with what you say, but there are arguments that putting a religion in a back closet along with a monarchy castrates religion and the monarchy making them quaint figure heads ....
Whereas secularism leads to actual religion dominating the state?
I don't have an opinion or answer on whether secular states or non secular states work better, nor was it any part of my intention in this thread ...
I simply answered someone that used Ireland as an example of a non secular state ....
Religion is the top shelf of the supernatural supermarket ... Madog