Are the churches using atheists to gain more converts?

[madog]

I don't disagree with what you say, but there are arguments that putting a religion in a back closet along with a monarchy castrates religion and the monarchy making them quaint figure heads  .... [...]

But that only works, as long as you have a single main religion, which happens to have been established by the monarchy - long time ago. If any modern democracy tried to start a national religion - it would be  political suicide,  in the eyes of the international public opinion, because all the disenfranchised minorities in that country would - rightly - call persecution and breach of the freedom of religion.

And anyway - UK is starting to have religious fundamentalism problem, mainly of the islamic variety, thanks to the muslim immigrants, who do not wish to have the Queen as the head of their religion and would very much like to have their own theocracy established to have authority over them, with sharia law, female circumcision and all that jazz. And let's not forget Northern Ireland, where religion still makes mortal enemies out of neighbors, although we don't hear about it that much anymore.

Also let's not forget - UK may not be very religious, but it still has inbred German overlords as a branch of government, so swings and roundabouts, I guess...

Why are you trying to draw me into an argument I never made ... note I stated there are arguments, THERE ARE ... not mine ....

I am prepared to learn, but I don't learn when only negatives and no solutions are offered ....

I don't mind joining a debate on secular vs non secular ... maybe learning and adding my opinions BUT I SIMPLY STATED THE FACT THAT IRELAND IS SECULAR   which it is, no point was being made ...