RE: Why the religious will never admit you won the argument (and why they don't care)
June 21, 2016 at 3:28 pm
(This post was last modified: June 21, 2016 at 4:09 pm by Veritas_Vincit.)
(June 21, 2016 at 12:57 pm)SteveII Wrote: To qualify as a 'no true Scotsman' fallacy, the definition of Christian has to be vague or non-existent. That is not the case here. The criteria for Christian action is very clearly laid out.
Regarding your list "The Bible instructs all of those things that I listed, it is the literal word of God." (which I reposted so you can be reminded what you claim) :
Quote:6. Concrete examples of harm caused by religion I assume you mean? Excluding Islamic Jihad? Ok:
- The Catholic Church - sheltering pedophile priests from legal justice; allying with the Nazi party and fascism in the 20th Century - the Konkordat; their stance on abortion and contraception in AIDs riddled Africa saying condoms are worse than AIDs or that they help spread it.
- The Archbishop of Cantebury, the Pope and other religious leaders world wide who, when people were murdered on the streets of Paris, said the problem was with Blasphemy - for SHAME.
- Christians in the USA trying to teach Intelligent Design psydoscientific creationist garbage to children in schools
- The forced genital mutilation of children in Jewish and Muslim communities
- Homophobia of the kind that inspires a repressed homosexual to shoot up a gay club, of which religion is the main source...
I don't even know where to begin pointing out the absurdity of your first point. I am not aware the NT has a chapter on contraception.
Regarding the Pope and Archbishop--they can justify their own remarks. I can say however that this concept is not found in the NT.
Besides the fact that ID and Creationism are not the same thing, you got me there. Well, except the harm part. If a science class describes other theories that are believed by literally billions, I can't quite connect how additional knowledge harms.
NT does not teach circumcision. Certainly not female mutilation.
The NT quite clearly states that we are to love everyone. Can't see how the NT causes people to shoot gay people.
I think you got two lists I gave confused: The things I said were mandated by the Bible are those I listed above and gave chapter and verse for. That list, as it says, are evils caused directly by religion, but I think you got the lists confused.
Your definition of a Christian may be clearly laid out to you, but from an outside perspective there are so many hundreds of denominations and sects as to make it really, really hazy.
Why would anyone only care about just the New Testament? Jesus clearly states that "not one jot or tittle of the law can change until all has come to pass" and "I have not come to replace the law but to fulfill it" - IE If you throw out the Old Testament you lose Biblical authority. and you're just picking a la carte from the Bible, plus you loose the 10 commandments and the prophecy that makes Jesus the Messiah in the first place, so I find your exclusive focus on the New Testament odd. You can't have the new Testament without the old without going against what Jesus explicitly instructed in the New. "He does not observe the law shall be considered least in the kingdom of heaven."
ID is creationism in a cheep suit, it's the same pseudoscientific unfounded rubbish than runs contrary to ALL of science. The harm is that there are teachers who talk about Evolution as though it's some conspiracy, when it is scientific fact, stultifying the minds of thousands of children. They might as well be teaching children in Geography class that the world may in fact be flat.
