(April 25, 2011 at 2:45 am)fr0d0 Wrote:(April 24, 2011 at 11:13 pm)Strongbad Wrote: A flippant, dismissive quip about "justice" does nothing to address the absurd possibilities allowed by your belief system (such as the murderer who joins his victims in heaven). Why don't you try responding to the conundrum in the post, instead of a diversionary tactic?It was neither flippant nor dismissive Strongbad. You made a bad point. Who are you to say who is innocent and who is guilty? Unless you possess divine powers... how do you know what is really inside people's hearts? Given that justice is actually served... in what fantasy do you imagine an unjust God? <---this isn't the concept put forward in Christianity. Your conundrum is a straw man.
It was both flippant and dismissive, and also diversionary, just like your last response to me. I was not talking about who is guilty or innocent, and I never claimed to be the arbiter of that. There are no such things as "divine powers". And I do know what is really inside people's hearts: blood. The childish religious euphemisms where the "heart" is substituted for the brain carry no weight with me. I have no fantasies where I imagine an unjust God - that would require fantasizing about an actual God and assigning certain properties to it.
A straw man argument is where person A puts forth a position (usually distorted) and claims that it is person B's position. Where in my previous post did I do that? Let's look at what I posted:
"Do you think that if a man shot and killed your wife, he should be allowed to go free if he is sorry enough? Or how about this: the guy who shoots your wife "accepts Jesus into his heart" while he is on death row. Then he is executed. Thirty years later, when you die and "go to heaven", you find the guy sitting on a cloud having lunch with your wife. Make sense to you?"
A murderer meeting his victims in heaven is a possibility allowed in the Christian religion. I find this to be absurd and ludicrous, and no amount of wordsmithery or twisted euphemisms can explain it away.
P.s. Here is another good example of a straw man: "In what fantasy do you imagine an unjust God?" Here, you are implying that I have a fantasy about God, and that I imagine God to be unjust. The next time you try accuse someone of making a straw man argument, try not to make one yourself.
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