RE: Refuting Christians with their Own Bible
June 28, 2016 at 7:14 pm
(This post was last modified: June 28, 2016 at 7:24 pm by Veritas_Vincit.)
(June 28, 2016 at 6:43 pm)SteveII Wrote: Since many of you brought up slavery, I thought this article was a good perspective:
http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-slavery.html
So I read this article and it makes some good points, however ultimately it doesn't get around the key issues that:
1) If you actually read those passages, God says you can hit your slaves with a rod and as long as they don't die within a couple of days, it's fine. This in itself is God directly sanctioning cruel treatment of humans, humans being owned as property and the lives of humans who are owned having less value.
2) The main excuse given is that the people at that time thought slavery was fine, so this was a step in the right direction. So what?! God could easily have come down as said "No, it's not EVER OK to own another human being as property - this is a barbaric practice and you must stop it now." If he was a moral being and was capable of giving moral instructions, this is a glaring omission. However, sadly...
3) The keeping and beating of slaves is consistent with God's character according to the Bible and is a small offence compared to his injunction to sacrifice (IE Murder) children, to commit genocide, to use the death penalty for all manner of things. Plus he himself killed all the firstborn of Egypt, wiped out most of the world's population in a global flood, and was so inept in his creation that he had to come down bodily to sacrifice himself to himself to act as a loophole for a rule he created.
So - interesting article, but sorry, the Bible is still a monstrously evil piece of work... and so is your God.
(June 28, 2016 at 6:52 pm)SteveII Wrote:(June 28, 2016 at 5:18 pm)Veritas_Vincit Wrote: How about Leviticus 20 verse 13:
Jesus expressly says all of this is still binding:
So surly Christians believe this? Or do they have the arrogance to presume to know better than God and Jesus Christ? Or are they saying that actually the Bible isn't the word of God after all?
Since it is quite clear you think you understand the meaning, what do you think "fulfill" means?
I think that Jesus meant that he had come to fulfill the Old Testament prophecies and thus validate the law, rather than refuting the law and replacing it with a new doctrine.