(July 1, 2016 at 1:49 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: The thing is believers come to the view, there biggest honor and reward is their relationship with God. God becomes their best reward, their most valued treasure.
Atheists see believers attachment is to something they don't know is there, while believers take honor in how their souls had to strive and come towards knowledge. How they awakened through love and desire towards their Lord.
Love makes them hold on to certainty in their vision, while those who disbelieve in God, hold on to doubts and don't rely on what they know for certain. They pay attention to doubts too much and override their knowledge, mainly, because of lack of resolve and love to serve and worship the Creator.
At the same time, the disbeliever in God dislikes the idea that believers have a honorable position higher, so is constantly attacking them. He dislikes the view believers see that disgrace lies in turning away from their Lord, the source of all greatness, praise, and that which is to be valued, because it degrades them in their view.
The believer can give in, and say, yes there is no honor in believing in God or disgrace from turning away from him and his path, but that goes against the love he understands the Creator is obligated to have. His love forces him to see the evil in turning away from God's light and holy names and signs.
They both come out against one another.
So there is a constant battle for egos, while, the one who is certain, feels no thirst.
Not . . . necessarily.
"Atheists see believers attachment is to something they don't know is there" - absolutely true. We are in agreement.
And that is big major problem number one: in thousands of years, there is no proof of anything there. So we challenge. Give us proof.
We also are extremely well aware of the human brain's capacity for self-delusion, and for creating experiences just because the person wants them badly enough (and usually fueled by some sort of community pressure). Ever seen a voodoo trance? How about xtian Pentecostal speaking in tongues? Both are taken by each group as definitive proof that their god has possessed them. Is Allah the one who did the possessing? Various meditation devices from multiple schools of thought (Buddhism, Yoga, Transcendental Meditation, even guided imagery exercises) have created "ecstasy states" that have been measured by EEG and other scanners - it's simply another measurable brain state. No indication of telepathy or possession.
We see no evidence of any of thousands of human deities. And until we see something other than personal testimony or a book, then of course, we challenge.
"The family that prays together...is brainwashing their children."- Albert Einstein