Refuting Christians with their Own Bible

[Veritas_Vincit]

1) Why does it matter that we choose God? [because he want us to. it is the purpose of the entire universe so this concept becomes paramount in every discussion of why God did...]
2) If God telling everyone what he wants them to do messes with free will then why tell anyone? Telling a handful is a terrible idea. Surely God would know that revelation is only evidence to the person it is revealed to? I don't believe UFO crazies for exactly this reason!  [see 2.3 Billion examples why that reasoning doesn't work]
3) Your point about 2.3billion people believing it is irrelevant as more than that used to believe the world was flat and the sun went round it. They were wrong. [Bad analogy. You are arguing that there was not enough evidence for God. There obviously was and there is.]
4) If we are born with morality why do we need the Bible? [To point us to the source of that morality, among other minor things like outlining the plan of salvation]
5) If you're telling me your God couldn't think of a way for humans to live without slavery, and couldn't think of a way to tell them, then he's an idiot because anyone alive on the planet today could do that. [So, you don't have any idea then...kinda thought that after you avoided the question for the 10th time]
6) Stop going back to the NT - you can't have one without the other. Jesus said all the old stuff still stands, he says it in the sermon on the mount. [You have been told elsewhere you are wrong. Your going to have to put something else in your "let's repeat these points over and over" bullet list of why Christianity is wrong]
7) God could have said Slavery was wrong. He didn't, which is bad enough, but he actually endorsed it, which is immoral. None of this 'cultural context' or 'indentured servitude' gets you anywhere except where you really don't want to be - rationalising slavery. Have you ever considered how similar the dynamic between God and man is to that of an abusive relationship? [Apparently he thought regulating it was a lesser evil then prohibiting it. You will have to prove that to be a morally wrong choice to win your point. "He could have figured out a way...but I have no clue how" is not enough.]

In addition, your idea of slavery has been skewed by the recent version of it. Slaves rose to great responsibility, were to be paid when set free, death penalty for maiming or killing one, etc. You should not be picturing chains and whips. It was a HUGE part of the culture for thousands of years before and thousands of years after. Of course there were abuses and of course people, in many or even most cases, didn't want to be slaves. They also didn't want to be dead either. With the relative safety we live in today, I cannot imagine living back then.

Just to clarify:

I disagree that the purpose of the universe is to choose God. I am not even remotely convinced there is a God, but even if there was I think this choosing him thing is a stupid idea.

I disagree that the flat earth believer analogy is bad - it illustrates the point I was making which is that just because lots of people believe something it doesn't mean they're right, and they are often wrong. It's a good analogy.

I don't give a shit how many people believe in God, I only care why, and from what I've heard so far I think they are mistaken.

I agree there is 'evidence' for God, but I find it all to be bad evidence, and I find the notion does not meet its burden of proof.

I disagree that a God can be the source of morality. I don't believe there is a god, but morality is far better explained by evolution by natural selection.

I disagree with your scriptural interpretation of what Jesus said concerning the Old Testament and I have explained why. As for "You have been told elsewhere you are wrong." Yes, but not convinced in the slightest, so you can shove it up your arse.

I disagree with your interpretation of slavery in the Bible. I think your apologetics for it are weak and unfounded.

BUT - I can see that nothing I say is going to make you change your mind, that's not why you're here, and that's fine. You are welcome to believe whatever you want. I am confident that anyone following this thread will make their own minds up.