How Many Has God Killed?

[Eleazar]

So let me get this right. We atheists cannot ask you to give us proof of gods existence without us presupposing that your god exists?

...how do you manage to interpret me as saying this? I am saying that if there is such a thing as a proof that exists independently of God's existence, then not everything that exists depends on God's existence. Ergo, if the atheist demands such a proof, she is presupposing the contrary to what she is asking to be proved. (For example, the atheist might demand a proof that requires a) application of laws of logic in the argument and b) does not God's existence is not presupposed in the argument. Well, for the theist, the existence of laws of logic presupposes God's existence, so the theist cannot meet the atheists demand without conceding her own position. The atheist demand for such a proof begs the question by assuming that the laws of logic exist independently of God's existence.)