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Refuting Christians with their Own Bible
RE: Refuting Christians with their Own Bible
(July 4, 2016 at 3:18 am)Veritas_Vincit Wrote:
(July 3, 2016 at 7:58 pm)SteveII Wrote:  
Morality seeks to define what is 'good' and 'bad'. You make moral judgments almost constantly. Kind of important for daily life. From Wikipedia


I was pointing out that while you think your morality is objective, it is not."Maximising the wellbeing of conscious creatures" is simply not sufficient to form a theory of ethical behavior. So if it is not sufficient to form a system of morality, what is it that you are basing your system on? Not science. What then?

Think about it. What is 'good' about good and 'bad' about bad?

In a universe devoid of life, populated only by rocks, would good and bad mean anything?

If morality is about behaviour, why does behaviour matter? Other than how it positively or negatively impacts on conscious creatures?

Sam Harris explains it very well, I'm paraphrasing: imagine a world in which every conscious creature, every human and animal, suffered as much as it can for as long as it can. This is by definition 'bad' - in fact, this is as bad as things can be. If you think there's a reality that is worse than this, then you haven't understood the definition.

So, if we start there, any universe, any choice, any reality with less suffering is by definition better. Once you take this basic premise, and assume that non-suffering is generally preferable to suffering, health is generally preferable to disease, life is generally preferable to death, you have the basis for a system of moral behaviour.

Evaluating the morality of any given action is now simply a question of evaluating its impact on ones self and others in terms of whether it creates suffering or promotes wellbeing. From there it's just a question of how to we make life better. Science is the best approach to this, in fact, it is the only approach worth using - it is the most realible method we have to make models of reality and figure out what is real and how the universe works.

If I inherit a million dollars, it will be good for my well being. However, it isn't morally relevant that I inherited a million dollars. In some way, well being may be a result of moral behavior, but it doesn't seem like the two are synonymous. You're missing something in your equation.
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Refuting Christians with their Own Bible - by Incognito - June 28, 2016 at 7:02 am
RE: Refuting Christians with their Own Bible - by SteveII - June 28, 2016 at 11:30 am
RE: Refuting Christians with their Own Bible - by SteveII - June 28, 2016 at 12:36 pm
RE: Refuting Christians with their Own Bible - by deleteduser12345 - June 28, 2016 at 5:40 pm
RE: Refuting Christians with their Own Bible - by SteveII - June 28, 2016 at 11:31 am
RE: Refuting Christians with their Own Bible - by Spirian - June 28, 2016 at 12:50 pm
RE: Refuting Christians with their Own Bible - by Ayen - June 28, 2016 at 6:25 pm
RE: Refuting Christians with their Own Bible - by SteveII - June 28, 2016 at 10:21 pm
RE: Refuting Christians with their Own Bible - by SteveII - June 28, 2016 at 10:23 pm
RE: Refuting Christians with their Own Bible - by SteveII - June 28, 2016 at 10:56 pm
RE: Refuting Christians with their Own Bible - by SteveII - June 28, 2016 at 10:41 pm
RE: Refuting Christians with their Own Bible - by SteveII - June 29, 2016 at 10:14 am
RE: Refuting Christians with their Own Bible - by SteveII - June 29, 2016 at 11:47 am
RE: Refuting Christians with their Own Bible - by SteveII - June 28, 2016 at 11:03 pm
RE: Refuting Christians with their Own Bible - by Ayen - June 28, 2016 at 11:06 pm
RE: Refuting Christians with their Own Bible - by SteveII - June 28, 2016 at 11:21 pm
RE: Refuting Christians with their Own Bible - by SteveII - June 28, 2016 at 11:35 pm
RE: Refuting Christians with their Own Bible - by Ayen - June 29, 2016 at 12:04 am
RE: Refuting Christians with their Own Bible - by Ayen - June 29, 2016 at 10:48 am
RE: Refuting Christians with their Own Bible - by Ayen - June 29, 2016 at 11:11 am
RE: Refuting Christians with their Own Bible - by SteveII - June 29, 2016 at 10:01 pm
RE: Refuting Christians with their Own Bible - by SteveII - June 30, 2016 at 11:13 am
RE: Refuting Christians with their Own Bible - by emjay - June 30, 2016 at 1:19 pm
RE: Refuting Christians with their Own Bible - by Angrboda - July 4, 2016 at 12:51 pm

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