(July 5, 2016 at 4:04 pm)Irrational Wrote:(July 5, 2016 at 3:26 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: No... it is still objective, as I have mentioned in other threads. My knowledge or opinion of what is moral does not affect if it is moral or not (because it is based outside of myself). I have been wrong on things once or twice in the past, there could be a third . I think what you are confusing is epistemology (how we know) with ontology (the nature of) morality. Subjective morality is dependent on and relative to the subject. Whereas; objective morality is independent and the same regardless of the subject.
I'm saying that if, epistemologically, if you're pretty much in the same boat as nontheists with regards to morality, then any moral ontological argument one makes in favor of God is rendered moot.
So God has his own morality? So what? You're not getting your morality from such an entity, from what I have been shown thus far.
I don't see where the argument from morality is effected by what we know, or don't know. The argument isn't dependent on you or me either way.
I didn't say that, (that God isn't the prime source for my moral judgements) but you haven't shown much thus far either. For instance, what is it that makes you think that a non-theist is pretty much in the same boat epistemologically?