RE: My name is Ted
April 5, 2009 at 8:58 am
(This post was last modified: April 5, 2009 at 9:07 am by bozo.)
(April 4, 2009 at 7:35 pm)Tiberius Wrote: But socialism doesn't encourage people to work. People are greedy by nature, we want to survive. Capitalism is the only system that rewards those who work with a fair proportion of money. Socialism grants the doctor the same as the garbage man. In such a society what would prevent me from simply doing a garbageman's work for a doctor's salary? Plus the fact I'd need to spend several years of my life at medical school, all so I could become a doctor and earn the wage of a garbageman.
bozo has tried and failed to explain this to me in a way that seems fair to me. I'd love to see another system to capitalism, but at the moment socialism doesn't seem to work at all.
Here we go again! Of course people would work under socialism. The difference would be how wealth is distributed. Under socialism, the meg-wealthy and the underclasses would not exist.
You have a very jaundiced view of humanity, Adrian.Like a lot of capitalists, you hate to think that some at the bottom of the heap might be " scrounging " yet never think to show the same venom to the mega-rich, who work the system to their own greedy agenda. For example, what use to humanity are acountants? Nil. Yet they are hired by the rich to rob the poor by avoiding paying taxes they rightly should be paying.
As regards how jobs are valued, personally I value the garbage man highly. He keeps me safe from disease by emptying my decaying rubbish.
I value a garbageman above an accountant every day of the week.
I'm glad you say you want another system.you clearly don't want socialism so you're stuck with capitalism. And when you continue saying socialism doesn't work, that is just your opinion. It works in Cuba, does it not?
(April 5, 2009 at 6:14 am)fr0d0 Wrote: Socialism as a political concept is screwy. Community supporting itself, and it's weakest members, is what it should be about. Sure some jobs are more valuable than others, but all are interdependant. Likewise those dependents that can't work can be from any career. Different societies will have different priorities. Aren't plumbers in the US far more highly regarded than they are in the UK? Perceived importance changes. At different times different skills are valued.Actually Frodo, I find you a bit screwy,hence I've largely aoided exchanges with you.
On the other hand.. capitalism is good in that it reflects nature more accurately. Socialism goes against natural selection. Wasn't capitalism invented by Christians <unsupportable claim alert>?
Socialism isn't screwy, its the alternative to capitalism i.e a society based on co-operation, not competition. I don't want a society based on survival of the fittest thank you very much.
