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July 12, 2016 at 4:26 pm (This post was last modified: July 12, 2016 at 4:28 pm by RozKek.)
(July 11, 2016 at 7:16 pm)Sheed1980 Wrote:
(July 11, 2016 at 4:01 pm)RozKek Wrote:
Ok. Can you present me with the miracles as you wish. One by one or two by two. Present them to me and I can debunk them. I've done this before, I'm not in the mood to write another essay. Also, to clarify. They are miracles because you claim that no human can have had such knowledge without the help from god. Do you agree on that is what miracles are?
Yes my friend. A miracle is an act committed with the will and power of God that cannot be naturally done by any living being. Such as Moses pbuh parting the sea and staff turning into a serpent and Jesus pbuh being born to a virgin woman, raising the dead, healing lepers. These were all miracles that were put in place by God for a purpose to show His power as God is the mightiest. Now for a few of the Qur'anic miracles. I have more for u if u like but I will start with 2 examples of each topic mathematic, scientific, astronomical and linguistic:
Mathematics:
The word for land in Arabic is used 13 times and the word for sea is used 32 throughout the Qur'an. 32+13=45. 13/45=28.88888889% and 32/45=71.1111111111%. Scientists have verified today that these are the exact percentages of land and water that cover our Earth's surface to this day. Each chapter of the Qur'an has a # of verses. If u add the chapter # and the # of verses u get an even or odd #. This is elementary. (ex Ch. 1 has 7 verses 1+7=8 even #). When this is done for each of the 114 chapters u get exactly 57 even # and 57 odd #. Adding all 57 evens gives u 6,236 which is the total # of verses in the entire Qur'an. Adding all odds gives u 6,555 which is the sum of 1+2+3....114.
Science:
Chapter 57 is Al-Hadyd or "The Iron". Arabic and Hebrew letters have numerical value in a sense like Roman Numerals. Using letters without vowels the word Hadyd (H=8 D=4 Y=10 and D=4) these total 26. Go to any scientific periodic element chart and locate Fe the symbol for iron, u will see the atomic number is 26. When u add the Arabic article "Al" making it "The Iron" the name of the chapter, A=1 and L=30 equaling 31. 31+26=57 which is the chapter number of the Qur'an. Also 57 is exactly halfway through the 114 Qur'anic chapters. If u cut the Earth exactly in half the inner core consists of IRON. The word Qamar or "moon" is used exactly 27 times throughout the Qur'an. The word Ahilah "New Moons" is used only once. 27+1=28 and scientists have discovered there are exactly 28 stages in the monthly lunar cycle of the moon as it orbits our Earth. Also in Ch.54 Al-Qamar "The Moon" the word moon is only used in verse 1. If u count the remaining verses to the end of the Qur'an u get 1390. The year 1390 in the Islamic Hijra calendar equals the year 1969 of the Gregorian Calendar that we go by today. We all know man first set foot on the moon
in 1969.
Linguistics:
These words I will list are not used in the same verse after verse. They are spread out throughout the entire scripture. The word for man and woman are each used 23 times. And males and females each have 23 sex chromosomes. The word for day in its singular form is used exactly 365 times. The word for month is used 12 times. Angels and devils are each used 88 times. This life and Hereafter are each used 115 times. Allah says Jesus pbuh is like Adam pbuh meaning He created them both. Another way they are alike is their names are mentioned exactly 25 times each. They are only mentioned in the same verse twice. With the miracle of the #19 in the Qur'an which I can cover with u later, the last time both Adam and Jesus pbut are mentioned in the same verse is the 19th time Adam pbuh is mentioned and the 19th time Jesus pbuh is mentioned and it is in the 19th chapter of the Qur'an.
Astronomy: Chapter 46 is Al-Ahqaf which means "Sand dunes" in 46:23 it says "MA uRSil'tu bihi" meaning "What I am sent with". In verse 46:30 it says "unzila min ba'aDi MOoSaa" meaning "Revealed after Moses". Now these verses don't mention anything astronomical in message. But look at letters I capitalized in quotation marks. The Arabic letters Mim(M) Alif(A) Ra® and Sin(S) appear in this order and spell "MARS" where the capital letters Dal(D)Mim(M)Waw(O)and Sin(S) in order spell "DMOS". The name of one of the moons that orbits Mars is called "Deimos". This is the only chapter these names are both mentioned together and with today's technology, scientists have recently discovered Mars is a planet completely covered with "sand dunes" which IS ALSO the name of this chapter. Ch.53 An-Najm "The Star" in verse 9 refers to the distance the Archangel Gabriel was near the Prophet Muhammad pbuh during the revelation of the Qur'an 53:9(And was at a distance of but TWO BOW-LENGTHS or even nearer). In verse 49 The Mighty star Sirius is mentioned 53:49 (And He (Allah) is Lord of Sirius the Mighty Star). Scientists have discovered Sirius is actually a double star that orbits in a bow-shape (TWO BOWS) and its orbit lasts 49.9 years which are the 2 separate verse # that these are mentioned in the Qur'an of Ch.53 The Star. UNLIKE English and MANY other languages, In Arabic there is no letter "V". So in Arabic the letter "W" is used to replace "V". In 8:72 it says "Wa ENUS tansurookum" meaning "And if they seek your help" The letters "WENUS" appear in order and WITH THE W REPLACING THE V THIS WOULD SPELL THE PLANET VENUS. the next verse where they appear again is in 11:3 "Wa ENUStaghfiru rabbakum" meaning "And seek forgiveness of your Lord". In 17:7 it says "Wa ENUSatum" or "If you do evil". It SHOWS HERE that there are 243 verses between 8:72 and 11:3. Scientists have discovered it takes the planet Venus 243 days to revolve around the sun rotating on its own axis in an opposite direction of other planets. But to go further it rotates on an angle of 177 degrees (17:7).
So all of these my friend plus many more I can share with u show that these all can't be coincidences but there was a genius blueprint and strategy that no human being could put forward. Especially in a scripture, revealed verses at a time, over a 23 year period. This is truly the word of God alone which none other can claim.
Ahem, this is not what I expected, I expected the other scientific miracles. However, what you're doing right now is very well explained in this video
To make it easy to understand, if you have big enough numbers, words and information you'll find all kinds of coincidences and patterns, and yes. They are coincidences and patterns, nothing more. It's mathematics, if you're gonna argue against mathematics, go ahead. So that should debunk pretty much everything you've said, but I'm not done. This should answer the "Science" and "Astronomy" claims, because you've used a heavy instance of math there. Whether you believe it or not, that is a mathematical coincidence no matter how much it doesn't look like it. Also humans have a tendency to seek patterns in random data, google up Apophenia. That's why you think this is miraculous, you assign the coincidences to a miraculous action from God.
I can add some more arguments against the linguistics: The word for day is actually used 475 times according to
However, to be fair, wikiislam has it's criticism that you can view here, it actually made a page about it's criticism from both muslims and non-muslims
The ones about Jesus and Adam don't need to be coincidences, the writers could've just put it there... it's quite obvious.
The conclusion here is, you're wrong with the numbers.
Regarding the rest i.e astronomy, science etc, you've used heavy mathematics and they're pure coincidences, the video by Vsauce I linked demonstrates that.
This one wasn't fun to argue against it was just maths maths maths, however, thanks for taking your time. Hope we both learned something so far.
And, yes. They actually can be coincidences whether you believe it or not, whether you like it or not. Mathematics =)
