RE: Leaving christianity, a bit of my story
July 15, 2016 at 12:51 pm
(This post was last modified: July 15, 2016 at 1:04 pm by robvalue.)
(July 15, 2016 at 11:27 am)Lek Wrote:(July 15, 2016 at 1:27 am)robvalue Wrote: The concept of god must be introduced before the age of reason? Why?
Again, isn't this just an admission that you need a brain incapable of properly assessing the subject matter? Otherwise, why can't it wait?
Same with prayer. Why? Do you fear a reasoned, thinking child will laugh at the idea? Because they likely will. I did.
Will God not be interested in a kid that hasn't had this stuff poured into their vulnerable brain? If so, maybe that tells you something.
We introduce our kids to good and bad before the age of reason. Why not introduce them to a good concept like God and prayer? It doesn't have anything to do with fear of how they will receive it. I believe you think the way you do because you think those are bad concepts. You're demonstrating your own bias in your theory.
"Good" and "bad" are extremely vague concepts. Sure, you can help a child develop what kind of things they might mean, and why. But they are umbrella terms, and by teaching the child how to think, they will inevitably come to these conclusions on their own. It's just words. They are also abstract concepts, unlike "God" which you wish to present as actually existent without a shred of evidence.
God and prayer have never been demonstrated to be anything other than indulging your own imagination. They have no practical use whatsoever (beyond the placebo effect). And as such, they're certainly not obviously "good" either. I'd say sitting around talking to yourself isn't good. And a concept so ill-defined that no one can even explain to me what it is without resorting to world salad gibberish is not useful for a developing mind.
My bias is towards reality. I don't consider that a bad thing. Understanding good and bad is useful, even before the age of reason. How is God and prayer useful to them? Why the need to shove them into the young brain? It can't wait a few years, really? You want to lock them into one mode of thinking: goddidit. That's your bias, and I don't know why you consider that so essential. Are you concerned an older child will scoff? It's a serious question. I scoffed. I laughed my head off. At age five.
How am I biased by saying don't indoctrinate them with any unnecessary concepts? You can't present God as a reasonable idea, so to present it as truth to a child is indoctrination. I'm not being biased by asking you to keep your own bias out of it. "Goddidit" is a narrow mode of thinking which can and does provide a barrier to learning.
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