(July 17, 2016 at 3:15 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:(July 17, 2016 at 10:21 am)paulpablo Wrote: I think that's jumping from one extreme to the other.
I don't think a police state needs to be enforced in order to prevent immigrants convicted of violent crimes including wife beating living in France and convicted terrorists living in the capital city of France.
I don't think the people of citizens of France would mind if there was a law deporting convicted violent immigrants and I don't think it would require a police state. The same goes for exiling convicted terrorists or some other kind of punishment.
If terrorism gets redefined to mean something less extreme and people are exiled for this reason then yes that could result in a police state, but these terrorists were convicted of breaking people out of jail, trying to go fight in Syria and were known to intelligence services.
They weren't just saying bad things about Jews, or acting a bit suspicious.
The trouble with that, of course, is that breaking people out of jail and trying to go fight in Syria are not terrorist acts, per se.
Boru
Apologies I made a few mistakes in the details.
These are some important points better worded than how I put it that can be found on wikipedia.
Chérif, also known as Abu Issen, was part of an informal gang that met in the Parc des Buttes Chaumont in Paris to perform military-style training exercises and sent would-be jihadists to fight for al-Qaeda in Iraq after the 2003 invasion.[94][95] Chérif was arrested at age 22 in January 2005 when he and another man were about to leave for , at the time a gateway for jihadists wishing to fight US troops in Iraq.
On 28 March 2008, Chérif was convicted of terrorism and sentenced to three years in prison, with 18 months suspended, for recruiting fighters for militant Islamist 's group in Iraq
French judicial documents state Amedy Coulibaly and Chérif Kouachi travelled with their wives in 2010 to central France to visit Djamel Beghal. In a police interview in 2010, Coulibaly identified Chérif as a friend he had met in prison and said they saw each other frequently.[101] In 2010, the Kouachi brothers were named in connection with a plot to break out from jail another Islamist, Smaïn Aït Ali Belkacem. For lack of evidence, they were not prosecuted.
So presumably there was evidence of them being part of terrorist organisations but not enough evidence of them plotting to break this person out of jail. Still pretty important to note that they are convicted terrorists living in the capital.
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