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Telling fact from fiction
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RE: Telling fact from fiction
(July 19, 2016 at 5:41 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I don't think that these are good epistemological principles.   Whether or not something is true or not is independent to your or anyone elses subjective knowledge. It doesn't follow, that because you do not know that it is possible, that it is probably fiction.

No, but it follows that if people claim something is possible, but cannot demonstrate it or give examples of it, it is probably fiction. Or if they give far-fetched causes for mundane events, it's probably fiction.

So: Jesus was in a tomb but is now missing. People come and say, "Holy shit! The stone has been rolled away!" Claimed cause-- resurrection, because Jesus is the beloved Son of God and of Man, and the angels must have moved the stone. Probable cause: some people came and moved the stone, and removed the body.

So: Jesus starts breaking bread and fish, and a whole crowd is fed, with many baskets full of fish and bread left over. Claimed cause-- miracle! Probably cause-- people aren't fucking dumb, and when they went out to listen to him, they brought food.

So: Bush burns, talks to Moses. Claimed cause-- God is communicating with Moses. Probable cause-- Moses was dehydrated, tired from walking too far, and may have eaten mushrooms he found along the side of the road.


So yeah, the truth is what it is. But whether we think YOUR idea represents truth is based on the quality of information you provide us-- which in the case of Christianity, is very poor.
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Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 3:07 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Excited Penguin - July 16, 2016 at 3:17 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by purplepurpose - July 16, 2016 at 3:21 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 3:23 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by purplepurpose - July 16, 2016 at 3:27 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Excited Penguin - July 16, 2016 at 3:34 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 3:22 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Excited Penguin - July 16, 2016 at 3:31 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 3:29 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by purplepurpose - July 16, 2016 at 3:35 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 3:44 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by purplepurpose - July 16, 2016 at 3:49 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Excited Penguin - July 16, 2016 at 3:38 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by purplepurpose - July 16, 2016 at 3:42 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by ignoramus - July 16, 2016 at 3:38 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Excited Penguin - July 16, 2016 at 3:40 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Ravenshire - July 17, 2016 at 8:25 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 3:38 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Excited Penguin - July 16, 2016 at 3:47 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Thumpalumpacus - July 16, 2016 at 3:47 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Excited Penguin - July 16, 2016 at 3:54 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 3:48 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Excited Penguin - July 16, 2016 at 3:52 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Excited Penguin - July 16, 2016 at 3:49 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 3:50 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Excited Penguin - July 16, 2016 at 4:00 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by ignoramus - July 16, 2016 at 3:54 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Excited Penguin - July 16, 2016 at 4:03 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 3:54 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 3:58 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 4:03 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 4:07 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 16, 2016 at 4:08 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 4:10 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Excited Penguin - July 16, 2016 at 4:13 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Angrboda - July 17, 2016 at 2:54 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 4:13 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 4:15 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 4:18 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Excited Penguin - July 16, 2016 at 4:31 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 4:24 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 16, 2016 at 4:36 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 4:51 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 4:55 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Homeless Nutter - July 16, 2016 at 5:00 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Excited Penguin - July 16, 2016 at 4:58 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 4:59 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Athene - July 16, 2016 at 8:28 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 5:01 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by The Grand Nudger - July 16, 2016 at 8:24 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by ignoramus - July 16, 2016 at 8:39 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by vorlon13 - July 16, 2016 at 9:31 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 12:40 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 17, 2016 at 1:35 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 17, 2016 at 6:37 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by The Grand Nudger - July 17, 2016 at 3:41 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Silver - July 17, 2016 at 8:27 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by ignoramus - July 17, 2016 at 10:14 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 18, 2016 at 12:55 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Thumpalumpacus - July 18, 2016 at 2:06 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 18, 2016 at 1:08 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 18, 2016 at 7:34 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 19, 2016 at 5:41 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by bennyboy - July 19, 2016 at 9:04 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Silver - July 19, 2016 at 9:09 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by bennyboy - July 19, 2016 at 9:19 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Spirian - July 19, 2016 at 5:46 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by The Valkyrie - July 19, 2016 at 5:46 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by madog - July 19, 2016 at 6:16 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Gemini - July 19, 2016 at 6:32 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 20, 2016 at 9:25 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 20, 2016 at 11:43 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 20, 2016 at 2:09 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by bennyboy - July 20, 2016 at 9:23 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 20, 2016 at 10:32 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by bennyboy - July 20, 2016 at 10:41 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by ignoramus - July 21, 2016 at 3:12 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by bennyboy - July 21, 2016 at 7:04 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 21, 2016 at 8:12 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by bennyboy - July 21, 2016 at 8:15 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 21, 2016 at 8:22 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by bennyboy - July 21, 2016 at 10:22 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 22, 2016 at 7:03 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by bennyboy - July 22, 2016 at 10:25 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 23, 2016 at 9:42 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by ignoramus - July 23, 2016 at 9:51 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 23, 2016 at 10:50 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by bennyboy - July 23, 2016 at 12:34 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by KJV-reader - July 21, 2016 at 2:44 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by The Grand Nudger - July 21, 2016 at 8:20 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Cyberman - July 21, 2016 at 1:48 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 21, 2016 at 2:32 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by The Grand Nudger - July 21, 2016 at 10:44 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 21, 2016 at 2:01 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by madog - July 21, 2016 at 11:30 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by paulpablo - July 21, 2016 at 1:06 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by The Grand Nudger - July 21, 2016 at 2:41 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 21, 2016 at 2:45 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by The Grand Nudger - July 21, 2016 at 2:46 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 21, 2016 at 3:13 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by The Grand Nudger - July 21, 2016 at 3:16 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 21, 2016 at 4:02 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by The Grand Nudger - July 21, 2016 at 4:05 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 21, 2016 at 7:52 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by The Grand Nudger - July 21, 2016 at 8:08 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 21, 2016 at 9:45 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by The Grand Nudger - July 21, 2016 at 9:51 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by bennyboy - July 21, 2016 at 10:25 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 22, 2016 at 6:56 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by The Grand Nudger - July 21, 2016 at 10:31 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by The Grand Nudger - July 22, 2016 at 10:15 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 23, 2016 at 2:14 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 23, 2016 at 9:43 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Cyberman - July 23, 2016 at 11:04 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Angrboda - July 23, 2016 at 4:56 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by bennyboy - July 23, 2016 at 8:14 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 23, 2016 at 5:20 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by bennyboy - July 23, 2016 at 8:19 pm

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