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Bringing Down the King
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RE: Bringing Down the King
(May 3, 2011 at 3:14 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: If Jesus existed and he is exactly how they describe him in that book of contradictions, then you could not kill him or change anything.

*Tangent Alert*
You just made me think of another problem I had the first time I read the Gospels cover-to-cover.

Herod tries to kill baby Jesus but an angel warns the family to flee to Egypt.

Quote:Matthew 2:13 And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.

So why flee? Go ahead, run your sword through him a bunch of times for all the difference it will make. This is freaking God Incarnate here, right? And then what will his soldiers do when Heaven counter-strikes with a team of angels?

I later learned that the author of Matthew was probably an Ebionite, an early sect of Christianity that used a version of his scripture in which Jesus was a mortal man possessed by the spirit of God at the baptism. Thus, Jesus would have been vulnerable prior to his baptism. It also explains neatly why there's no ministry prior to age 30. If Jesus was God, what the hell was he doing all that time? But if Jesus was a mortal, his story just wasn't interesting enough to merit being part of scripture.

This would also explain why Jesus' last words according to Matthew were "My God, why have you forsaken me?" According to the Ebionites, the spirit of God couldn't die so it departed from Jesus while he was on the cross. Jesus' last words according to Matthew make much more sense in this light. From the Trinitarian perspective it sounds like Jesus is saying "Me, me, why have I forsaken me?"

This needs to be a video topic...
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"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
...      -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
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...       -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
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Bringing Down the King - by Cinjin - May 3, 2011 at 1:55 pm
RE: Bringing Down the King - by Doubting Thomas - May 3, 2011 at 2:08 pm
RE: Bringing Down the King - by Cinjin - May 3, 2011 at 2:39 pm
RE: Bringing Down the King - by Ace Otana - May 3, 2011 at 4:05 pm
RE: Bringing Down the King - by Cinjin - May 3, 2011 at 4:13 pm
RE: Bringing Down the King - by Ace Otana - May 3, 2011 at 4:18 pm
RE: Bringing Down the King - by reverendjeremiah - May 3, 2011 at 2:47 pm
RE: Bringing Down the King - by Cinjin - May 3, 2011 at 2:57 pm
RE: Bringing Down the King - by Minimalist - May 3, 2011 at 2:50 pm
RE: Bringing Down the King - by Cinjin - May 3, 2011 at 2:51 pm
RE: Bringing Down the King - by Minimalist - May 3, 2011 at 2:53 pm
RE: Bringing Down the King - by Godschild - May 3, 2011 at 2:58 pm
RE: Bringing Down the King - by Cinjin - May 3, 2011 at 3:00 pm
RE: Bringing Down the King - by reverendjeremiah - May 3, 2011 at 3:14 pm
RE: Bringing Down the King - by Cinjin - May 3, 2011 at 3:23 pm
RE: Bringing Down the King - by Cinjin - May 3, 2011 at 3:38 pm
RE: Bringing Down the King - by reverendjeremiah - May 3, 2011 at 3:42 pm
RE: Bringing Down the King - by Cinjin - May 3, 2011 at 4:02 pm
RE: Bringing Down the King - by DeistPaladin - May 3, 2011 at 4:24 pm
RE: Bringing Down the King - by Cinjin - May 3, 2011 at 4:38 pm
RE: Bringing Down the King - by DeistPaladin - May 3, 2011 at 4:56 pm
RE: Bringing Down the King - by Doubting Thomas - May 3, 2011 at 3:33 pm
RE: Bringing Down the King - by Darwinian - May 3, 2011 at 4:35 pm
RE: Bringing Down the King - by reverendjeremiah - May 3, 2011 at 4:54 pm
RE: Bringing Down the King - by Cinjin - May 3, 2011 at 5:15 pm
RE: Bringing Down the King - by reverendjeremiah - May 3, 2011 at 6:09 pm
RE: Bringing Down the King - by Doubting Thomas - May 3, 2011 at 5:18 pm
RE: Bringing Down the King - by Godschild - May 3, 2011 at 10:47 pm
RE: Bringing Down the King - by reverendjeremiah - May 3, 2011 at 11:17 pm
RE: Bringing Down the King - by Godschild - May 4, 2011 at 9:29 am
RE: Bringing Down the King - by Cinjin - May 4, 2011 at 10:39 am
RE: Bringing Down the King - by Cinjin - May 4, 2011 at 1:02 am
RE: Bringing Down the King - by reverendjeremiah - May 4, 2011 at 12:51 pm
RE: Bringing Down the King - by Godschild - May 5, 2011 at 2:29 am
RE: Bringing Down the King - by Cinjin - May 5, 2011 at 2:56 am
RE: Bringing Down the King - by DeistPaladin - May 5, 2011 at 8:37 am
RE: Bringing Down the King - by Minimalist - May 3, 2011 at 11:38 pm
RE: Bringing Down the King - by theVOID - May 4, 2011 at 1:07 am
RE: Bringing Down the King - by Cinjin - May 4, 2011 at 1:44 am
RE: Bringing Down the King - by Faith No More - May 4, 2011 at 2:25 am
RE: Bringing Down the King - by reverendjeremiah - May 6, 2011 at 12:32 am

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