RE: Bringing Down the King
May 3, 2011 at 4:56 pm
(This post was last modified: May 3, 2011 at 5:04 pm by DeistPaladin.)
(May 3, 2011 at 4:38 pm)Cinjin Cain Wrote: Then even according to the Ebionite christians, Jesus wasn't really the "son of god" - he was the intended physical host of god.
Essentially, yes. He was still called the (adopted) Son of God. Why he was adopted before harboring the spirit I have no idea.
Perhaps this is where Trinitarians got their strange idea that Yahweh was his own son?
Quote:Which would mean that up until his baptism he was a flawed man who more than likely committed sins?
According to the Ebionites, Jesus was a man pure enough of heart to be given the honor of harboring the spirit.
Quote:Sounds like someone who could easily be physically killed.
Not until the spirit left the body of Jesus. The Ebionites thought God couldn't die and neither could any being who harbored the spirit of God. The spirit therefore departed from Jesus on the cross, so Jesus could be the sacrifice. Apparently, Jesus wasn't briefed on the plan, judging by his question "My god, why have you foresaken me?"
The Ebionites believed in salvation by keeping the Law (hence how the Matthew Jesus proclaims the old laws shall always stand). His sacrifice was only to fulfill the need for animal sacrifices.
(May 3, 2011 at 4:54 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: Thats why the first thing I asked was if it would be a parallel time or linear, and how would we know? He is asking that you overlook that detail.
Or it could be Stephen King's idea of time travel.
If you go into the past, you discover that we as beings are constantly moving forward in time, so all you would find are empty buildings. There would be no opportunity to change the past because human beings have moved on. Also colors are dulled out, chemical reactions don't work as well and eventually a hoard of evil flying pac men come through and devour everything.
Atheist Forums Hall of Shame:
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
"The trinity can be equated to having your cake and eating it too."
... -Lucent, trying to defend the Trinity concept
"(Yahweh's) actions are good because (Yahweh) is the ultimate standard of goodness. That’s not begging the question"
... -Statler Waldorf, Christian apologist
