RE: Bringing Down the King
May 4, 2011 at 9:29 am
(This post was last modified: May 4, 2011 at 9:33 am by Godscreated.)
(May 3, 2011 at 11:17 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote:(May 3, 2011 at 10:47 pm)Godschild Wrote: No, Jesus being God can see into the future and avoid any such attempt.rev.j Wrote:You mean free will doesnt exist?
Freewill does exist, Jesus would be using His freewill to avoid harm before the time of the cross.
(May 3, 2011 at 10:47 pm)Godschild Wrote: No, Jesus had a legion of angels ready to stop anything from happening to Him before His time to go to the cross.Wow, I am REALLY impressed!
(May 3, 2011 at 10:47 pm)Godschild Wrote: No, satan would have done that very thing if it were possible.rev.j Wrote:..and how do yo know that he hasnt already and that he is responsible for the bible you have now. What if Satans true name is "Jesus"?
Satan would never have offered salvation to mankind. He would have never give the sermon on the mount. Pure evil could never have disquised itself in such a way. There is a battle of good and evil going on and satan can not be on both sides it is not in his character.
(May 3, 2011 at 10:47 pm)Godschild Wrote: No, people tried but were unable to kill Him because He knew what was in their hearts and slipped away.WOW. I am VERY impressed! Scuttled off like a bug..but a royal bug!
(May 3, 2011 at 10:47 pm)Godschild Wrote:Quote:You can not stop the absolute will of God.[quote='rev.j']I guess that rules out freewill then.
Freewill would be in the attempt which God allowed, the Jewish people tried but Jesus used His own freewill to avoid the attempt.
(May 4, 2011 at 1:02 am)Cinjin Cain Wrote: [quote='Godschild' pid='133959' dateline='1304477231']
No, Jesus being God can see into the future and avoid any such attempt. No, Jesus had a legion of angels ready to stop anything from happening to Him before His time to go to the cross. No, satan would have done that very thing if it were possible. No, people tried but were unable to kill Him because He knew what was in their hearts and slipped away. You can not stop the absolute will of God.
First let me say that your answer of course is not a surprise. I would expect nothing less from a devotee of christ.
However, how can you say that Jesus could see into the future? The bible itself records god changing his mind on several different occassions. In fact he was going to destroy the hebrew people at one point until a lowly human changed his mind. I would argue that your god, according to your bible, clearly cannot see the future and therefore certainly wouldn't see a time traveler coming back to to kill his earthbound minigod.
God is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent meaning He knows all for all times. What makes you believe that God changed His mind, that may have every well been a test for Moses.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
