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Telling fact from fiction
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RE: Telling fact from fiction
(July 21, 2016 at 8:15 pm)bennyboy Wrote:
(July 21, 2016 at 8:12 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: It is interesting; how often here, and in similar conversations, I find that atheists tell me what I do, what my motivations are, what I believe, why... and so on.   And when corrected, it is ignored (much like when evidence is given, and then it is claimed that there is no evidence). 

However, to the topic at hand.... do you have a general principle that we can apply critical thinking to, for determining fact from fiction, other than the circular ones described thus far?

You are not reading carefully enough.  The term "if" is conditional: "IF you are like most Christians."  You can simply answer "I'm not like them.  I would never teach my kids that the Bible represents Truth even though I can't demonstrate its truth, because that would NOT be teaching them how to distinguish between fact and fiction." I'm not saying what you do-- I'm saying what I THINK you would do, based on my knowledge that you are Christian, and my experience with other Christians.

As for a general principle of determining fact from fiction: that's easy: believe those things first which are in accordance with what you already know about life, and second which you can verify, as fact.  Those things which are not in accordance with what you know, and which you cannot verify as fact, do not take as fact.

So let's say I tell a kid that there's a Mr. Smith living down the street and he owns a parrot.  The kid knows from his own experience about people, streets and parrots, and will be willing to take my assertion as fact even though he hasn't confirmed it.  Now, let's say I tell the kid Mr. Smith can walk on water, can turn a couple loaves into a meal for thousands, and can turn water into wine.  The kid, will say, "Ummmmm. . . I don't think that can happen, cuz I've never seen anything like that and neither has anybody I know." The kid would likely say, "I'll tell you what. If you can show me anybody doing any of those things, then maybe I'll believe Mr. Smith is real, and you're not just telling me stories to make me eat my broccoli."

Smart kid.  And in my experience, most kids older than about three are at least this smart, unless their parents tell them to stop thinking and start believing.

So, basically anything which I don't assume as true, and they cannot or will not demonstrate to me personally is likely fiction? Would you say this is accurate of what you are proclaiming?
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Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 3:07 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Excited Penguin - July 16, 2016 at 3:17 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by purplepurpose - July 16, 2016 at 3:21 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 3:23 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by purplepurpose - July 16, 2016 at 3:27 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Excited Penguin - July 16, 2016 at 3:34 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 3:22 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Excited Penguin - July 16, 2016 at 3:31 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 3:29 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by purplepurpose - July 16, 2016 at 3:35 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 3:44 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by purplepurpose - July 16, 2016 at 3:49 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Excited Penguin - July 16, 2016 at 3:38 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by purplepurpose - July 16, 2016 at 3:42 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by ignoramus - July 16, 2016 at 3:38 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Excited Penguin - July 16, 2016 at 3:40 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Ravenshire - July 17, 2016 at 8:25 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 3:38 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Excited Penguin - July 16, 2016 at 3:47 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Thumpalumpacus - July 16, 2016 at 3:47 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Excited Penguin - July 16, 2016 at 3:54 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 3:48 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Excited Penguin - July 16, 2016 at 3:52 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Excited Penguin - July 16, 2016 at 3:49 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 3:50 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Excited Penguin - July 16, 2016 at 4:00 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by ignoramus - July 16, 2016 at 3:54 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Excited Penguin - July 16, 2016 at 4:03 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 3:54 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 3:58 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 4:03 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 4:07 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 16, 2016 at 4:08 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 4:10 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Excited Penguin - July 16, 2016 at 4:13 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Angrboda - July 17, 2016 at 2:54 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 4:13 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 4:15 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 4:18 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Excited Penguin - July 16, 2016 at 4:31 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 4:24 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - July 16, 2016 at 4:36 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 4:51 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 4:55 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Homeless Nutter - July 16, 2016 at 5:00 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Excited Penguin - July 16, 2016 at 4:58 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 4:59 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Athene - July 16, 2016 at 8:28 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 5:01 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by The Grand Nudger - July 16, 2016 at 8:24 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by ignoramus - July 16, 2016 at 8:39 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by vorlon13 - July 16, 2016 at 9:31 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 16, 2016 at 12:40 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 17, 2016 at 1:35 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 17, 2016 at 6:37 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by The Grand Nudger - July 17, 2016 at 3:41 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Silver - July 17, 2016 at 8:27 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by ignoramus - July 17, 2016 at 10:14 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 18, 2016 at 12:55 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Thumpalumpacus - July 18, 2016 at 2:06 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 18, 2016 at 1:08 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 18, 2016 at 7:34 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 19, 2016 at 5:41 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by bennyboy - July 19, 2016 at 9:04 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Silver - July 19, 2016 at 9:09 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by bennyboy - July 19, 2016 at 9:19 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Spirian - July 19, 2016 at 5:46 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by The Valkyrie - July 19, 2016 at 5:46 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by madog - July 19, 2016 at 6:16 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Gemini - July 19, 2016 at 6:32 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 20, 2016 at 9:25 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 20, 2016 at 11:43 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 20, 2016 at 2:09 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by bennyboy - July 20, 2016 at 9:23 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 20, 2016 at 10:32 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by bennyboy - July 20, 2016 at 10:41 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by ignoramus - July 21, 2016 at 3:12 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by bennyboy - July 21, 2016 at 7:04 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 21, 2016 at 8:12 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by bennyboy - July 21, 2016 at 8:15 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 21, 2016 at 8:22 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by bennyboy - July 21, 2016 at 10:22 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 22, 2016 at 7:03 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by bennyboy - July 22, 2016 at 10:25 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 23, 2016 at 9:42 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by ignoramus - July 23, 2016 at 9:51 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 23, 2016 at 10:50 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by bennyboy - July 23, 2016 at 12:34 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by KJV-reader - July 21, 2016 at 2:44 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by The Grand Nudger - July 21, 2016 at 8:20 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Cyberman - July 21, 2016 at 1:48 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 21, 2016 at 2:32 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by The Grand Nudger - July 21, 2016 at 10:44 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 21, 2016 at 2:01 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by madog - July 21, 2016 at 11:30 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by paulpablo - July 21, 2016 at 1:06 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by The Grand Nudger - July 21, 2016 at 2:41 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 21, 2016 at 2:45 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by The Grand Nudger - July 21, 2016 at 2:46 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 21, 2016 at 3:13 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by The Grand Nudger - July 21, 2016 at 3:16 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 21, 2016 at 4:02 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by The Grand Nudger - July 21, 2016 at 4:05 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 21, 2016 at 7:52 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by The Grand Nudger - July 21, 2016 at 8:08 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 21, 2016 at 9:45 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by The Grand Nudger - July 21, 2016 at 9:51 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by bennyboy - July 21, 2016 at 10:25 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 22, 2016 at 6:56 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by The Grand Nudger - July 21, 2016 at 10:31 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by The Grand Nudger - July 22, 2016 at 10:15 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 23, 2016 at 2:14 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by RoadRunner79 - July 23, 2016 at 9:43 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Cyberman - July 23, 2016 at 11:04 am
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by Angrboda - July 23, 2016 at 4:56 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by bennyboy - July 23, 2016 at 8:14 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by robvalue - July 23, 2016 at 5:20 pm
RE: Telling fact from fiction - by bennyboy - July 23, 2016 at 8:19 pm

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