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Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk
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RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk
(July 27, 2016 at 6:42 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: I don't know about you but I took the time to read the policies on his website. Yeah right, I said, Mexico will pay for the wall. How's that going to happen? From what I read,  it at least seemes we might have actual leverage to make that the starting point for a negotiation to solve our immigration problems in partnership with Mexico. Maybe.

Forgive me quoting myself, but a few months ago over at TTA we were having a discussion about Trump so I did indeed go to his site and look at his positions, such as they are. The "you" in this part of my post there is not you, Chad.

Thumpalumpacus Wrote:Here's what he says there:

Trump Wrote:Mexico must pay for the wall and, until they do, the United States will, among other things: impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages; increase fees on all temporary visas issued to Mexican CEOs and diplomats (and if necessary cancel them); increase fees on all border crossing cards – of which we issue about 1 million to Mexican nationals each year (a major source of visa overstays); increase fees on all NAFTA worker visas from Mexico (another major source of overstays); and increase fees at ports of entry to the United States from Mexico [Tariffs and foreign aid cuts are also options]. We will not be taken advantage of anymore.

None of those methods will assure that Mexico pays for any wall. He wants to "impound" illegal remittances? How, exactly, will he have the government determine their legality? He doesn't say how much he expects that measure to net. How much money comes from fees for border-crossing cards? Taking Trump's figures of 1 million issued to Mexico multiplied by $160 per card we get $160 million. Temporary visas, for Mexican CEOs and NAFTA workers $190 each, can't be bringing in very much money -- maximum $190 million assuming every border-crossing card issued per above goes to one of these catgories; and diplomats are not charged that fee at all [see previous link]. Tariffs against Mexico are illegal per the NAFTA agreement, which has the force of law under the US Constitution, meaning that if he wishes to impose them he will have to denounce that treaty, with the foreign-policy ramifications such a measure entails (this includes Canada). And cutting foreign aid to Mexico, which goes to help fight narcotraficantes, will only increase the instability of our southern neighbor, which will almost certainly drive up the numbers attempting to flee here.

CNN estimates that the wall he proposes would cost between $15 and $25 billion. Trump doesn't say how much he would boost these fees, nor does he say how he'd get Congress to denounce NAFTA, nor how he would ascertain the legality of outgoing remittances.

So as you can see, he put together a list of actions that he'd take to finance his wall, but we see upon further inspection that this is horseshit. It takes a little digging to look past the smoke-and-mirrors, and I certainly don't expect you to take the time to do it given that you're not a citizen or resident of the US, but if you're going to go around plumping for this guy, it's best to do a little research. Talking points do not a sound policy make.

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Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Neo-Scholastic - July 27, 2016 at 4:39 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Minimalist - July 27, 2016 at 4:45 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Aegon - July 27, 2016 at 5:01 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Neo-Scholastic - July 27, 2016 at 5:35 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Aroura - July 27, 2016 at 5:55 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Neo-Scholastic - July 27, 2016 at 6:21 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Aroura - July 27, 2016 at 6:25 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Pat Mustard - July 28, 2016 at 8:21 am
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Aegon - July 28, 2016 at 9:06 am
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Thumpalumpacus - July 27, 2016 at 6:37 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Neo-Scholastic - July 27, 2016 at 6:52 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Thumpalumpacus - July 27, 2016 at 8:17 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Seraphina - July 27, 2016 at 8:43 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Cato - July 27, 2016 at 10:39 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by henryp - July 27, 2016 at 5:03 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by rexbeccarox - July 27, 2016 at 5:04 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Whateverist - July 27, 2016 at 5:35 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by henryp - July 27, 2016 at 5:42 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Whateverist - July 27, 2016 at 6:04 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by henryp - July 27, 2016 at 6:22 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Whateverist - July 27, 2016 at 6:26 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by henryp - July 27, 2016 at 6:35 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Whateverist - July 27, 2016 at 6:37 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Neo-Scholastic - July 27, 2016 at 6:42 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Whateverist - July 28, 2016 at 12:41 am
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Thumpalumpacus - July 28, 2016 at 11:49 am
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Neo-Scholastic - July 28, 2016 at 7:35 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Whateverist - July 27, 2016 at 5:31 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Faith No More - July 27, 2016 at 5:34 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Neo-Scholastic - July 27, 2016 at 5:59 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Faith No More - July 27, 2016 at 6:22 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Aroura - July 27, 2016 at 6:26 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Whateverist - July 27, 2016 at 5:37 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Whateverist - July 27, 2016 at 5:45 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by henryp - July 27, 2016 at 6:00 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by A Theist - July 27, 2016 at 6:49 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Kosh - July 27, 2016 at 8:27 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Esquilax - July 27, 2016 at 10:23 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Aroura - July 27, 2016 at 5:53 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Faith No More - July 27, 2016 at 6:10 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Whateverist - July 27, 2016 at 6:18 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Rayaan - July 28, 2016 at 9:18 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Athene - July 27, 2016 at 6:43 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Cato - July 27, 2016 at 10:54 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Kosh - July 27, 2016 at 11:32 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Cato - July 28, 2016 at 12:27 am
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Pat Mustard - July 28, 2016 at 8:30 am
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Thumpalumpacus - July 28, 2016 at 12:01 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Grandizer - July 27, 2016 at 11:26 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Minimalist - July 27, 2016 at 11:48 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Cato - July 28, 2016 at 12:34 am
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Athene - July 28, 2016 at 12:34 am
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Cato - July 28, 2016 at 7:17 am
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by dyresand - July 28, 2016 at 12:07 am
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Cecelia - July 28, 2016 at 12:21 am
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by dyresand - July 28, 2016 at 1:18 am
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Neo-Scholastic - July 28, 2016 at 9:39 am
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by SteelCurtain - July 28, 2016 at 2:46 am
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by chimp3 - July 28, 2016 at 5:30 am
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by I_am_not_mafia - July 28, 2016 at 6:03 am
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by abaris - July 28, 2016 at 7:19 am
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by SteelCurtain - July 28, 2016 at 9:42 am
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Cato - July 28, 2016 at 7:00 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by TheRealJoeFish - July 28, 2016 at 8:31 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Cato - July 28, 2016 at 7:07 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Minimalist - July 28, 2016 at 8:13 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Minimalist - July 28, 2016 at 8:35 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Aroura - July 28, 2016 at 8:47 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Pat Mustard - July 29, 2016 at 7:20 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Minimalist - July 28, 2016 at 9:37 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Thumpalumpacus - July 29, 2016 at 1:15 am
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Fake Messiah - July 29, 2016 at 9:03 am
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by henryp - July 29, 2016 at 12:38 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by CWoods - August 3, 2016 at 9:20 pm
RE: Trump Speaks Like Regular Folk - by Minimalist - August 3, 2016 at 10:17 pm

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