RE: Agnostics
August 3, 2016 at 2:49 pm
(This post was last modified: August 3, 2016 at 2:53 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(August 3, 2016 at 12:45 pm)bennyboy Wrote: I've made the most compelling arguments I'm capable of, and you guys are free to discard them if you like. But don't be surprised if, the next time you tell a declared agnostic that he's "really" an agnostic atheist, no matter what he says, you will face disagreement.
The argument that you can be undetermined about anything you choose not to define, and can remain undetermined if you are allowed to define and redefine anything if/when previous definitions turn out to be - as you put it - magical monkey farts? Yeah, I'm gonna discard that, but it's not like you -need- an argument anyway.
You don't know whether or not gods exist. Full stop, right? I take you at your word, consider it validated. That other part, though..isn't a question of knowledge, but belief. If someone asks you whether or not you -believe- in gods and your response is "I'm agnostic" mechanically, you're claiming not to know -your own status of belief-, not whether or not a god exists, or you know it either way. That's probably not what you mean to say...and we can certainly read it and tease out what it is you mean....but we're talking philosophy, compelling arguments, validation, etc. It pays to be precise.
Judging by your responses you -do- seem like an agnostic atheist. You don't know whether or not a god exists, and you don't believe in any gods (that, you do seem to know).
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