RE: Zimmerman deserved to get punched, time to move on with our lives.
August 5, 2016 at 2:09 pm
(August 5, 2016 at 1:59 pm)Tiberius Wrote:(August 5, 2016 at 12:54 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Strange how you forget that Zimmerman provoked the entire incident and failed to cease and desist when told to do so by the police.
I didn't forget that, because it's categorically not true. The transcript from the phone call was published, as was the audio. The dispatcher (who by the way, wasn't a police officer) said words to the effect of "we don't need you to do that". That's not an order or even a command, it's more of a suggestion, if that. Zimmerman was perfectly within his rights to be there, and as a neighborhood watchman, to approach and challenge Treyvon Martin.
(August 5, 2016 at 1:08 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: Yeah, according to the only witness, which was Zimmerman himself.
Wrong again. It's funny how Treyvon Martin's defenders have such bad memories, or at least try to distort the facts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_o...s_accounts
Quote:The only eyewitness to the end of the confrontation stated that Martin was on top of Zimmerman and punching him, while [n]Zimmerman was yelling for help[/b]. This witness, who identified himself as "John", stated that "the guy on the bottom, who had a red sweater on, was yelling to me, 'Help! Help!' and I told him to stop, and I was calling 911".[114] He went on to say that when he got upstairs and looked down, "the guy who was on the top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point."
Bolding mine.
Look, it's terrible that Treyvon Martin wound up dead, but at the same time, the evidence pointed towards Treyvon Martin attacking Zimmerman, and Zimmerman firing his gun in self defence. The injuries that Zimmerman sustained in the attack are well documented.
Yeah, I don't have a terrible memory, I literally read that right before I posted.
What he is seeing there is the middle of a confrontation, not the start of it. So it's totally meaningless as to who started that confrontation. We have nothing but Zimmerman's word on it. We do have some circumstantial evidence though. I think it's a pretty hard sell to say that Martin, who was just walking home, wanted to start a fight that night. Zimmerman on the other hand was unduly following him, thought he was suspicious, has a history of being paranoid That's who I put my money on for starting that fight.
So exactly like I said, the only witness to the start of the confrontation is Zimmerman. There is no good reason to believe Martin started that fight. Why would he? What makes the most sense to me is that Zimmerman started a fight, was losing and shot him.