On another forum I did manage (after considerable effort) to get a christer to admit he was 'concerned' that his church was 'likely' fucking up in allowing divorced and remarried clergy to preach to the pew warmers. Despite my efforts though, his major concern was if his denomination did allow gay clergy (it was under discussion) that there would not be a schism for him to join to escape the gay clergy persons. I did get him (eventually) to consider the possibility that if the schism did continue to allow divorced/remarried clergy (while banning the gay ones) that it would be a strong indication that it was a false religion.
Not one bit of that extraction was easy, he was loathe to admit everyone in his denomination was(possibly) participating in a literal abomination instead of actual worship of their God.
It really brought home to me how deeply this programming runs in folks, and despite clear and compelling Biblical evidence their church poobahs are definitely in significant theological Error, getting him asking and considering what I consider to be very obvious questions about how his church got screwed up was an extremely difficult step for him.
Makes it easier to understand just how simple a matter it was for Jim Jones to get nearly 1000 people to drink cyanide laced Flavor Aid, don't it ?
Not one bit of that extraction was easy, he was loathe to admit everyone in his denomination was(possibly) participating in a literal abomination instead of actual worship of their God.
It really brought home to me how deeply this programming runs in folks, and despite clear and compelling Biblical evidence their church poobahs are definitely in significant theological Error, getting him asking and considering what I consider to be very obvious questions about how his church got screwed up was an extremely difficult step for him.
Makes it easier to understand just how simple a matter it was for Jim Jones to get nearly 1000 people to drink cyanide laced Flavor Aid, don't it ?
The granting of a pardon is an imputation of guilt, and the acceptance a confession of it.
