What God is to the Universe is what your mind is to your body

[bennyboy]

I'm not sure what metrics you used to determine that it was the most important property of any system in the universe.  Thing that has subjective experience thinks subjective experience is totally awesome.

Yeah, and only subjective agents are capable of establishing a value system. Therefore, if subjective agents think the capacity for subjective agency is super-important, then it is, by the only measure of importance available-- the arbitrary views of subjective agents.

Any -could- be.....but they don't seem to be, particularly so in the case of human beings

What does seeming have to do with anything? There is a grand total of zero things which are what they seem to us to be.

It clearly does...and perhaps you should stop calling it brainwaving?  This has been a common theme in all of our conversations regarding this subject...when you are -unsatisfied- with explanations or "useful information" you procede to claim that those explanations and "useful information" do not -exist-....... I;ve commented on this in the last few posts but here we see it again.  You are unsatisfied with the explanations and information, for a host of reasons...some of which I understand, and some of which make me go wtf..they do, clearly exist..however...for you to be unsatisfied with them in the first place.

Look, my response to the question at hand is honest and straightforward: we do not know what allows for qualia, and cannot therefore say whether it supervenes on the brain, or on more simple systems which need not be so organized as the brain. Conflating X-ology with X-ogony is a pretty fundamental error in logic, but this is much how these arguments go: "We study the brain and the mind, and stuff happens, so the brain creates (or simply is) mind. So far, that's how it seems to be."

This is a horrible misapplication of concept of evidence.

It isn't, because the OPs comments were and continue to be incoherent deepities, regardless of what supervenes upon what, what's happening at the qm level, and any consideration of mind.  Reasonably close to the truth is, itself, a ridiculous statement.  There is no "close" to truth in reason.....you're thinking of horseshoes and hand grenades.

Sure there's "close." If you say, X is God, and you discover almost-X, you can say you've found something which closely resembles your definition of God. If you discover that everything remotely close to X is wrong wrong wrong, you can say God, by your definition, likely doesn't exist.