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Need an argument answered
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RE: Need an argument answered
(August 29, 2016 at 10:39 am)GTR-1 Wrote: telling him "it's numerology, end of story" would be equivalent to me stating I have no idea I give up -- got any analysis of another book that shows the same?Quran would be the best lol, cause that would blow his little bubble and make him consider Allah, or any way I can demonstrate that it's only him giving pure chance a divine conclusion? I'm not looking to give PROOF that he's wrong, not only say it's numerology you are wrong, he would write me off

Here's an example of someone using Panin's method on a line from "The Raven", by E. A. Poe.
http://users.cecs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/poe.html
Quote:The following example is an expansion of one first presented on USENET by Charles Culver of Computers for Christ.
For this example, we will use numerical values for English letters assigned using the same pattern as used for Arabic, Greek and Hebrew.
 A=1   B=2   C=3   D=4   E=5   F=6   G=7   H=8   I=9
 J=10  K=20  L=30  M=40  N=50  O=60  P=70  Q=80  R=90
 S=100 T=200 U=300 V=400 W=500 X=600 Y=700 Z=800

We will analyse the famous first line of Poe's classic poem "The Raven":
  Once upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered, weak and weary


  • There are 7x7 letters.

  • The first and last words sum to 202x7, of which the first letters contribute 80x7.

  • The consonants in words starting with a consonant sum to 537x7.

  • The consonants in words ending with a consonant sum to 485x7, of which 192x7 comes from the odd length words and 293x7 from the even length words.

  • The consonants in words 2,4,6,8,10 sum to 177x7.

  • There are 7 words ending with consonants.

  • There are 3x7 consonants in words of even length.

  • Considering words 1,3,5,7,9,11:
    • There are 3x7 letters.
    • The even (2,4,6..) letters in each word total 138x7.
    • The last letters of each word total 205x7.
    • The first and last letters of each word total 51x7x7.
  • Considering the verb "pondered":
    • The first letter has value 10x7.
    • The vowels have total value 10x7.


Here's a comparison of Panin's analysis of a fragment of the bible, compared with that of another numerologist, both allegedly finding the magical patterns and supposedly proving godly inspiration, despite the texts they worked on being different. That shows, that their methods are arbitrary and unscientific.
http://users.cecs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugi...rmack.html

Quote:Each of the two authors gave multiple features of 7 that do not exist in the text used by the other.
In order to produce these patterns, they modified the text using the many variant readings that appear in old manuscripts. In addition to this deliberate cooking of the data, they presented some of the vast number of features of 7 that appear in any text by pure chance.

The only logical conclusion we can draw from this sorry episode is that neither author achieved anything beyond self-delusion.

And here's how Panin simply doctored some of the text, in order to suit his patterns.
http://users.cecs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugi..._mark.html

Also - here's some of the "inspired predictions", that numerology can squeeze out of "Moby Dick", by H. Melville.
http://users.cecs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/moby.html
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw
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Need an argument answered - by GTR-1 - August 29, 2016 at 10:27 am
RE: Need an argument answered - by robvalue - August 29, 2016 at 10:31 am
RE: Need an argument answered - by GTR-1 - August 29, 2016 at 10:39 am
RE: Need an argument answered - by Angrboda - August 29, 2016 at 11:48 am
RE: Need an argument answered - by Homeless Nutter - August 29, 2016 at 11:53 am
RE: Need an argument answered - by abaris - August 29, 2016 at 11:08 am
RE: Need an argument answered - by Faith No More - August 29, 2016 at 10:36 am
RE: Need an argument answered - by Crossless1 - August 29, 2016 at 10:36 am
RE: Need an argument answered - by robvalue - August 29, 2016 at 10:39 am
RE: Need an argument answered - by Arkilogue - August 30, 2016 at 3:51 am
RE: Need an argument answered - by Jesster - August 29, 2016 at 10:39 am
RE: Need an argument answered - by Faith No More - August 29, 2016 at 10:41 am
RE: Need an argument answered - by Crossless1 - August 29, 2016 at 10:50 am
RE: Need an argument answered - by robvalue - August 29, 2016 at 11:02 am
RE: Need an argument answered - by ScienceAf - August 29, 2016 at 11:04 am
RE: Need an argument answered - by robvalue - August 29, 2016 at 11:08 am
RE: Need an argument answered - by Minimalist - August 29, 2016 at 11:29 am
RE: Need an argument answered - by robvalue - August 29, 2016 at 11:58 am
RE: Need an argument answered - by Losty - August 29, 2016 at 5:51 pm
RE: Need an argument answered - by account_inactive - August 29, 2016 at 5:52 pm
RE: Need an argument answered - by Nihilist Virus - August 30, 2016 at 3:44 am
RE: Need an argument answered - by robvalue - August 30, 2016 at 4:20 am

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