Ban the Burkini

[Mister Agenda]

I agree with promoting counter-narratives to European Muslims and for all religions, actually. France bans all conspicuous religious symbols in public schools including turbans, crucifixes, etc, not just Islamic symbols.

A Muslim swimsuit for a female isn't the same as a hoodie. One can be worn by choice by men or women and one gets forced on to women so they can be "modest". Make no mistake, women are forced by their religious supervisors to cover themselves head to toe and are indoctrinated to believe it is their "choice".

One has to wonder about the Muslim men who live in these beach communites - while they have their women make themselves invisible, do you think they avoid being around women on the beach who are dressed in bikinis and swimwear to preserve their righteousness? Hell no, they're big fat hypocrites!

So I say keep the burkini bans and I hope the whole of France makes it law.

I make absolutely no denial that there are Muslim women forced into modesty, I hope that wasn't how I came across in my earlier post. It is law to wear hijab in some countries and I'm sure plenty of women are made to in the west as well.

But with that said, it's fairly obvious to me when a Muslim woman has chosen to wear hijab, styled herself, put together a look which is still modest but still has individuality;

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I don't think these hijabi women, or women wearing the "Burkini", are really fitting the whole "I was forced to dress like this by my father" narrative, and in their case, why shouldn't they be allowed to express themselves in this way?

As abaris said, it's equally wrong either way. I don't like when women are pressured or forced to dress modestly, or shamed for dressing "immodest". It's also wrong to force women to strip down if they don't want to.

It's about the choice. We're no better than Iran and Saudi Arabia if we stoop to their level of introducing a certain dress code that people have to follow.

We can discourage the ideas around female repression and sexual modesty sure, but we can't literally force people. It's not going to encourage people to see it the way we do. I think only after (like I said earlier) we encourage different narratives for European Muslims, promote secularism over segregated religious laws, and do away with religious identity politics, maybe then we'll start to see ideas like the hijab being discarded in a more natural and organic way.

Yeah, the burqhini isn't exactly traditional: it was invented in Australia several years ago. Conservative Muslims consider it quite scandalous because it is relatively form-fitting.