(September 13, 2016 at 9:28 am)Drich Wrote: I read most of your responses, and it seems to me that most of you believe that all whom you would label a 'victim' is always innocent and pure of heart. That if anyone has ever had a crime committed against them then no matter their actions leading upto said crime so long as they themselves did not break the law, they are 100% free of any responsibility that lead upto the crime.
I don't buy it.
There is not enough EVIDENCE (A word most of you use for everything except when you choose to judge or persecuting Christians) for any one of use to judge what or why the church acted the way that they did.
Maybe most of you are too old to know what goes on in "texting" now a days, but If this 'victim' did indeed send naked pics to this guy.. To any decent person, she does own an apology. But, again this article does not give enough information for any Just person to levi a judgement one way or another.
All I am saying is in general we all need to be held to account for our actions. If I need to with draw a very large amount a money from my bank, I don't go into a high crime area to do so, and I certainly would not be walking out the bank counting the money out loud where everyone could see and hear. Nor would I flash the money to people who I think would have no problem trying to take it from me, and dare them to take it. If they do, yes they commit a crime, but at the same time I am not innocent nor should I not be held to account for daring people to rob me.
If little miss can't be wrong did shake her little behind in front of someone then she should not be suprized when/if someone drives a truck through it. It does not make what the preacher did right, but it doesn't make her right/innocent either. As such IF she did throw gas on a fire by sending naked pics then at the very least this person should apologize without having to be prompted.
Making everyone an innocent victim no matter what means it is ok to be a f-ing moron the rest of your life and it set morons up to be victims the rest of their lives. Which allows for the real problem people looking to manipulate others through their victim-hood. This maybe the world you want to live in but I am getting sick of it.
Drich,
This seems like a lot of conjecture. I looked for other stories, and while I did find out a little more info than the reference in the OP, nothing was said that resembles the above (although there does seem to be some liberal narration in the OP reference as well).
None of the other reports, that I had read, mentioned anything about the context of the girl sending messages to this man or that she did at all
The church intervened, when they found out that he was sending her texts and the texts stopped for a while. It is unclear if these texts the context of these texts before (other than mentioning marital problems and complaining about his wife), although the girl says that when he started texting again, that the tone went from being innocent and fun, to more serious. I would say that if there was any inappropriate suggestions at all in these texts (even if they could be viewed as "in fun"} before; the church should have at minimum removed him from the youth ministry, not just asked him to stop texting (could be more serious depending on what was said).
The Church after learning about the incident, reported the former youth pastor to the police, where he was arrested, and plead guilty. The only thing that seems to be of controversy, is the mother's claim during the trial, that church asked the girl to apologize to the wife before returning to the church. The church maintains that this was a misunderstanding, and what was suggested; was that it would be best if the two (the girl and the wife) could make amends with each other. Here is a quote by a pastor at the Church:
Quote:"It's not true. It was a willful misunderstanding of a conversation she had with our senior pastor. And it was not something that the church had ever put, there were no requirements for the family to return to the church. We had done everything we could to support them. The church at its own expense had arranged for counselling for all of the folks that are involved," said the assistant pastor to CP.
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"The church was very proactive in going to the police before the mother even went to the police. We reported it to our congregation immediately and we tried to do everything that we could to be proactive and transparent," he continued.
Which in my opinion seems to be consistent with the rest of the story (although it can be difficult to determine what was actually said). It doesn't appear that they are trying to say that the girl did anything wrong.
