Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: March 2, 2025, 4:00 am

Thread Rating:
  • 1 Vote(s) - 1 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Where else?
#94
RE: Where else?
(September 27, 2016 at 12:54 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:
(September 27, 2016 at 10:36 am)Little Rik Wrote: There is nothing wrong with trying to contradict my ideas but there is something very wrong when
you do that and at the same time you say......I'm not defending anything here........

You stubbornly  Banghead defend your belief that NDEs are not real because if they would be proven real then
it would be the very end of atheism.

Be honest with yourself yog at least.
Stop be an hypocrite.  Lightbulb
(emphasis mine)

You've shown time and time again that you don't know jack about atheism.  I'm skeptical of claims that NDEs require a non-physical explanation.  My skepticism is validated by the medical science, by the lack of verification of the elements of NDEs, and by general prudence.  Even if I weren't skeptical that NDEs demonstrate a separation of body and consciousness, I'd still find your claim that they confirm karma and reincarnation to be preposterous. We are justified in believing only those aspects of NDEs which have been confirmed, and that doesn't confirm heaven, god, karma, reincarnation or any of the other purely experiential side of NDEs.  It is true that I am a materialist, but my materialism isn't founded upon my disbelief in gods.  Finding out that consciousness can be separated from the body would do nothing to my belief in god because the evidence for gods still wouldn't be there; you'd have a bunch of experiences, many contradicting, that describe a broad range of particulars, and only in very general and vague terms agree on details about gods.  As a rule, I prefer material explanations because material causes and effects can be demonstrated to exist -- my preference is pragmatic, not ideological.  I had the same bias as a Hindu who worshiped a god as I do now.  I don't unilaterally rule out spiritual explanations, and indeed I've even provided support for such in cases in which you made claims but failed to produce evidence.  

So, no, I'm not a hypocrite, and I will continue to press my skepticism of your claims and note loudly where you fail to provide "solid evidence" for those claims.


Let me see if I got it right yog.
According to you materialism is good because ........... material causes and effects can be demonstrated to exist..........but spirituality not because .......because....because what?
Oh, I see, it is impossible to demonstrate that there is karma (causes and effects).

In other words it is just a question of good luck and bad luck if someone born poor, sick, die of starvation or has his life cut short while somebody else born in top nick and live a good life?

Sure it could well be like this but LR is very very doubtful.
If this would be the case the universe would have disintegrated millions years ago.

I understand that some people win millions at lotto but the odds to win are one in a million while the odds to lose are the opposite so good or bad luck don't make any sense in this universal reality.

Sorry yog, I don't buy your naivety.  Wink
Reply



Messages In This Thread
Where else? - by Little Rik - September 24, 2016 at 8:53 am
RE: Where else? - by deleteduser12345 - September 24, 2016 at 9:08 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - September 24, 2016 at 9:15 am
RE: Where else? - by TheoneandonlytrueGod - October 14, 2016 at 10:03 pm
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 15, 2016 at 8:56 am
RE: Where else? - by Jesster - September 24, 2016 at 9:11 am
RE: Where else? - by Excited Penguin - September 24, 2016 at 9:22 am
RE: Where else? - by Cyberman - September 24, 2016 at 11:15 am
RE: Where else? - by Excited Penguin - September 24, 2016 at 11:18 am
RE: Where else? - by LastPoet - September 24, 2016 at 11:19 am
RE: Where else? - by Excited Penguin - September 24, 2016 at 11:48 am
RE: Where else? - by LastPoet - September 24, 2016 at 2:39 pm
RE: Where else? - by LadyForCamus - September 25, 2016 at 12:42 pm
RE: Where else? - by Excited Penguin - September 24, 2016 at 9:24 am
RE: Where else? - by LadyForCamus - September 25, 2016 at 12:44 pm
RE: Where else? - by Aoi Magi - September 24, 2016 at 9:26 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - September 24, 2016 at 9:40 am
RE: Where else? - by Angrboda - September 24, 2016 at 10:10 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - September 25, 2016 at 10:16 am
RE: Where else? - by Joods - September 24, 2016 at 9:28 am
RE: Where else? - by Excited Penguin - September 24, 2016 at 9:29 am
RE: Where else? - by Cato - September 24, 2016 at 1:46 pm
RE: Where else? - by deleteduser12345 - September 24, 2016 at 10:03 am
RE: Where else? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 24, 2016 at 9:39 am
RE: Where else? - by ukatheist - September 24, 2016 at 9:54 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - September 24, 2016 at 10:04 am
RE: Where else? - by ukatheist - September 24, 2016 at 10:28 am
RE: Where else? - by purplepurpose - September 24, 2016 at 10:31 am
RE: Where else? - by robvalue - September 24, 2016 at 10:31 am
RE: Where else? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - September 24, 2016 at 10:57 am
RE: Where else? - by Joods - September 24, 2016 at 11:06 am
RE: Where else? - by Whateverist - September 24, 2016 at 11:34 am
RE: Where else? - by robvalue - September 24, 2016 at 11:42 am
RE: Where else? - by Whateverist - September 24, 2016 at 1:38 pm
RE: Where else? - by Edwardo Piet - September 24, 2016 at 11:44 am
RE: Where else? - by Cyberman - September 24, 2016 at 11:50 am
RE: Where else? - by Edwardo Piet - September 24, 2016 at 11:50 am
RE: Where else? - by Minimalist - September 24, 2016 at 12:12 pm
RE: Where else? - by Cyberman - September 24, 2016 at 1:50 pm
RE: Where else? - by brewer - September 24, 2016 at 7:04 pm
RE: Where else? - by chimp3 - September 24, 2016 at 7:09 pm
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - September 25, 2016 at 9:38 am
RE: Where else? - by chimp3 - September 25, 2016 at 9:42 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - September 25, 2016 at 9:57 am
RE: Where else? - by chimp3 - September 25, 2016 at 9:59 am
RE: Where else? - by Angrboda - September 24, 2016 at 10:30 pm
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - September 25, 2016 at 9:24 am
RE: Where else? - by Angrboda - September 25, 2016 at 12:35 pm
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - September 26, 2016 at 8:21 am
RE: Where else? - by Angrboda - September 26, 2016 at 8:40 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - September 26, 2016 at 9:00 am
RE: Where else? - by Angrboda - September 26, 2016 at 9:12 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - September 26, 2016 at 9:23 am
RE: Where else? - by Angrboda - September 26, 2016 at 9:34 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - September 26, 2016 at 10:19 am
RE: Where else? - by Angrboda - September 26, 2016 at 10:29 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - September 27, 2016 at 10:36 am
RE: Where else? - by Angrboda - September 27, 2016 at 12:54 pm
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - September 28, 2016 at 8:33 am
RE: Where else? - by chimp3 - September 28, 2016 at 9:13 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - September 28, 2016 at 9:55 am
RE: Where else? - by chimp3 - September 28, 2016 at 9:59 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - September 28, 2016 at 10:33 am
RE: Where else? - by chimp3 - September 28, 2016 at 10:35 am
RE: Where else? - by Angrboda - September 28, 2016 at 10:00 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - September 29, 2016 at 10:50 am
RE: Where else? - by Angrboda - September 29, 2016 at 11:05 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - September 29, 2016 at 11:12 am
RE: Where else? - by Angrboda - September 29, 2016 at 11:16 am
RE: Where else? - by Primordial Bisque - September 29, 2016 at 11:50 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - September 30, 2016 at 10:46 am
RE: Where else? - by purplepurpose - September 30, 2016 at 11:19 am
RE: Where else? - by Angrboda - September 30, 2016 at 12:13 pm
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 1, 2016 at 4:53 am
RE: Where else? - by Angrboda - October 1, 2016 at 11:26 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 2, 2016 at 9:27 am
RE: Where else? - by account_inactive - September 25, 2016 at 9:58 am
RE: Where else? - by LadyForCamus - September 25, 2016 at 1:26 pm
RE: Where else? - by Cyberman - September 25, 2016 at 1:28 pm
RE: Where else? - by Edwardo Piet - September 25, 2016 at 1:29 pm
RE: Where else? - by Fidel_Castronaut - September 25, 2016 at 2:17 pm
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - September 26, 2016 at 8:49 am
RE: Where else? - by robvalue - September 26, 2016 at 8:57 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - September 26, 2016 at 9:16 am
RE: Where else? - by Fidel_Castronaut - September 26, 2016 at 12:03 pm
RE: Where else? - by Angrboda - September 26, 2016 at 12:20 pm
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - September 27, 2016 at 11:13 am
RE: Where else? - by chimp3 - September 27, 2016 at 11:19 am
RE: Where else? - by Angrboda - September 27, 2016 at 12:21 pm
RE: Where else? - by robvalue - September 26, 2016 at 8:40 am
RE: Where else? - by Angrboda - September 26, 2016 at 8:42 am
RE: Where else? - by robvalue - September 26, 2016 at 9:04 am
RE: Where else? - by Cyberman - September 26, 2016 at 9:43 am
RE: Where else? - by Angrboda - September 26, 2016 at 9:22 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - September 26, 2016 at 9:46 am
RE: Where else? - by robvalue - September 26, 2016 at 9:31 am
RE: Where else? - by Jesster - September 26, 2016 at 9:35 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - September 26, 2016 at 10:07 am
RE: Where else? - by Angrboda - September 26, 2016 at 12:37 pm
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - September 27, 2016 at 11:20 am
RE: Where else? - by Angrboda - September 27, 2016 at 12:36 pm
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - September 28, 2016 at 9:04 am
RE: Where else? - by robvalue - September 26, 2016 at 9:36 am
RE: Where else? - by robvalue - September 26, 2016 at 10:17 am
RE: Where else? - by robvalue - September 26, 2016 at 10:20 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - September 26, 2016 at 10:25 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - September 26, 2016 at 10:30 am
RE: Where else? - by Whateverist - September 26, 2016 at 10:39 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - September 27, 2016 at 10:42 am
RE: Where else? - by Homeless Nutter - September 27, 2016 at 11:17 am
RE: Where else? - by SofaKingHigh - September 27, 2016 at 6:34 am
RE: Where else? - by chimp3 - September 27, 2016 at 11:24 am
RE: Where else? - by mlmooney89 - September 27, 2016 at 11:36 am
RE: Where else? - by Simon Moon - September 27, 2016 at 7:58 pm
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - September 28, 2016 at 9:19 am
RE: Where else? - by mlmooney89 - September 28, 2016 at 10:21 am
RE: Where else? - by Whateverist - September 29, 2016 at 11:36 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - September 28, 2016 at 10:39 am
RE: Where else? - by Crossless1 - September 29, 2016 at 12:12 pm
RE: Where else? - by LostLocke - September 30, 2016 at 11:25 am
RE: Where else? - by Jesster - October 1, 2016 at 4:58 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 1, 2016 at 7:03 am
RE: Where else? - by Jesster - October 1, 2016 at 7:08 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 1, 2016 at 7:20 am
RE: Where else? - by Jesster - October 1, 2016 at 7:25 am
RE: Where else? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 1, 2016 at 7:11 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 1, 2016 at 7:52 am
RE: Where else? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 1, 2016 at 7:55 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 1, 2016 at 8:27 am
RE: Where else? - by Crossless1 - October 1, 2016 at 8:32 am
RE: Where else? - by LostLocke - October 1, 2016 at 8:41 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 1, 2016 at 9:05 am
RE: Where else? - by LostLocke - October 1, 2016 at 9:11 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 1, 2016 at 9:26 am
RE: Where else? - by Angrboda - October 1, 2016 at 11:36 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 2, 2016 at 9:21 am
RE: Where else? - by chimp3 - October 2, 2016 at 9:29 am
RE: Where else? - by Angrboda - October 2, 2016 at 10:25 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 3, 2016 at 6:20 am
RE: Where else? - by Angrboda - October 4, 2016 at 7:53 pm
RE: Where else? - by chimp3 - October 5, 2016 at 5:32 am
RE: Where else? - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - October 1, 2016 at 8:50 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 1, 2016 at 9:00 am
RE: Where else? - by account_inactive - October 2, 2016 at 9:30 am
RE: Where else? - by Jesster - October 2, 2016 at 10:16 am
RE: Where else? - by robvalue - October 2, 2016 at 10:19 am
RE: Where else? - by purplepurpose - October 2, 2016 at 1:20 pm
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 3, 2016 at 6:33 am
RE: Where else? - by purplepurpose - October 3, 2016 at 10:38 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 4, 2016 at 6:24 am
RE: Where else? - by purplepurpose - October 4, 2016 at 11:39 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 5, 2016 at 6:18 am
RE: Where else? - by purplepurpose - October 5, 2016 at 10:56 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 6, 2016 at 7:54 am
RE: Where else? - by robvalue - October 3, 2016 at 7:23 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 3, 2016 at 8:28 am
RE: Where else? - by robvalue - October 3, 2016 at 8:51 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 3, 2016 at 9:55 am
RE: Where else? - by I_am_not_mafia - October 3, 2016 at 8:50 am
RE: Where else? - by chimp3 - October 4, 2016 at 6:52 am
RE: Where else? - by LostLocke - October 4, 2016 at 11:41 pm
RE: Where else? - by robvalue - October 5, 2016 at 6:04 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 5, 2016 at 6:29 am
RE: Where else? - by chimp3 - October 5, 2016 at 6:09 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 5, 2016 at 6:23 am
RE: Where else? - by chimp3 - October 5, 2016 at 6:26 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 5, 2016 at 6:34 am
RE: Where else? - by chimp3 - October 5, 2016 at 7:02 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 6, 2016 at 8:24 am
RE: Where else? - by robvalue - October 6, 2016 at 9:05 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 6, 2016 at 10:34 am
RE: Where else? - by Jesster - October 6, 2016 at 11:30 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 7, 2016 at 9:37 am
RE: Where else? - by Jesster - October 7, 2016 at 9:41 am
RE: Where else? - by robvalue - October 5, 2016 at 6:30 am
RE: Where else? - by robvalue - October 5, 2016 at 6:37 am
RE: Where else? - by robvalue - October 5, 2016 at 8:33 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 6, 2016 at 8:11 am
RE: Where else? - by The Grand Nudger - October 6, 2016 at 8:14 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 6, 2016 at 8:51 am
RE: Where else? - by The Grand Nudger - October 6, 2016 at 12:38 pm
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 7, 2016 at 9:30 am
RE: Where else? - by robvalue - October 7, 2016 at 9:32 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 7, 2016 at 9:53 am
RE: Where else? - by Jesster - October 7, 2016 at 9:55 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 7, 2016 at 10:06 am
RE: Where else? - by robvalue - October 7, 2016 at 9:39 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 7, 2016 at 10:16 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 7, 2016 at 10:28 am
RE: Where else? - by robvalue - October 8, 2016 at 1:32 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 8, 2016 at 8:12 am
RE: Where else? - by robvalue - October 8, 2016 at 8:20 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 8, 2016 at 8:32 am
RE: Where else? - by Jesster - October 8, 2016 at 8:39 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 8, 2016 at 9:13 am
RE: Where else? - by chimp3 - October 9, 2016 at 10:36 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 10, 2016 at 5:35 am
RE: Where else? - by Iroscato - October 14, 2016 at 9:39 am
RE: Where else? - by robvalue - October 8, 2016 at 8:51 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 8, 2016 at 9:02 am
RE: Where else? - by robvalue - October 8, 2016 at 10:10 am
RE: Where else? - by The Grand Nudger - October 8, 2016 at 11:18 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 9, 2016 at 9:02 am
RE: Where else? - by ApeNotKillApe - October 9, 2016 at 9:17 am
RE: Where else? - by The Grand Nudger - October 9, 2016 at 12:26 pm
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 10, 2016 at 5:46 am
RE: Where else? - by chimp3 - October 10, 2016 at 6:12 am
RE: Where else? - by Grandizer - October 11, 2016 at 11:00 am
RE: Where else? - by chimp3 - October 11, 2016 at 7:17 pm
RE: Where else? - by robvalue - October 10, 2016 at 6:47 am
RE: Where else? - by chimp3 - October 10, 2016 at 6:50 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 11, 2016 at 8:58 am
RE: Where else? - by robvalue - October 10, 2016 at 6:51 am
RE: Where else? - by The Grand Nudger - October 10, 2016 at 8:56 am
RE: Where else? - by robvalue - October 10, 2016 at 8:59 am
RE: Where else? - by chimp3 - October 11, 2016 at 7:55 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 11, 2016 at 8:45 am
RE: Where else? - by robvalue - October 11, 2016 at 9:03 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 11, 2016 at 10:37 am
RE: Where else? - by The Grand Nudger - October 11, 2016 at 10:47 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 11, 2016 at 10:50 am
RE: Where else? - by The Grand Nudger - October 11, 2016 at 10:54 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 12, 2016 at 5:26 am
RE: Where else? - by chimp3 - October 12, 2016 at 7:44 pm
RE: Where else? - by Arkilogue - October 12, 2016 at 9:53 pm
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 13, 2016 at 10:30 am
RE: Where else? - by Angrboda - October 13, 2016 at 12:00 pm
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 14, 2016 at 7:39 am
RE: Where else? - by Angrboda - October 14, 2016 at 11:24 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 15, 2016 at 8:51 am
RE: Where else? - by chimp3 - October 15, 2016 at 11:19 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 16, 2016 at 7:32 am
RE: Where else? - by chimp3 - October 16, 2016 at 7:41 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 16, 2016 at 8:33 am
RE: Where else? - by chimp3 - October 16, 2016 at 8:38 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 16, 2016 at 8:48 am
RE: Where else? - by chimp3 - October 16, 2016 at 8:59 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 16, 2016 at 9:30 am
RE: Where else? - by chimp3 - October 16, 2016 at 9:38 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 17, 2016 at 9:08 am
RE: Where else? - by chimp3 - October 17, 2016 at 7:11 pm
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 19, 2016 at 5:53 am
RE: Where else? - by chimp3 - October 19, 2016 at 6:01 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 20, 2016 at 7:04 am
RE: Where else? - by SofaKingHigh - October 20, 2016 at 7:11 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 20, 2016 at 8:02 am
RE: Where else? - by SofaKingHigh - October 20, 2016 at 8:06 am
RE: Where else? - by _Velvet_ - October 13, 2016 at 1:53 pm
RE: Where else? - by Fidel_Castronaut - October 16, 2016 at 7:38 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 16, 2016 at 8:10 am
RE: Where else? - by The Grand Nudger - October 12, 2016 at 7:20 am
RE: Where else? - by chimp3 - October 12, 2016 at 7:33 am
RE: Where else? - by Fake Messiah - October 13, 2016 at 3:41 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 13, 2016 at 10:39 am
RE: Where else? - by Expired - October 17, 2016 at 5:54 am
RE: Where else? - by Losty - October 17, 2016 at 12:39 pm
RE: Where else? - by Expired - October 14, 2016 at 8:26 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 14, 2016 at 9:36 am
RE: Where else? - by Fidel_Castronaut - October 16, 2016 at 8:18 am
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 16, 2016 at 8:42 am
RE: Where else? - by The Grand Nudger - October 16, 2016 at 12:17 pm
RE: Where else? - by LastPoet - October 16, 2016 at 3:08 pm
RE: Where else? - by SilverFrog - October 21, 2016 at 5:08 pm
RE: Where else? - by Little Rik - October 22, 2016 at 6:42 am
RE: Where else? - by The Grand Nudger - October 17, 2016 at 3:51 am

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Anyone else struggle with cynical/rude thoughts towards religious people? syntheticadrenaline 27 1879 October 11, 2024 at 12:32 pm
Last Post: syntheticadrenaline
  Did anyone else get deconverted by a single sentence? Astonished 67 12073 July 20, 2023 at 4:29 pm
Last Post: arewethereyet
  Does anyone else feel like this? dyresand 21 5013 December 11, 2015 at 6:54 am
Last Post: Joods
  Does anyone else miss Christopher Hitchens? TheMessiah 13 4908 March 12, 2015 at 3:58 pm
Last Post: QuarkDriven
  Does anyone else see this dyresand 26 10878 January 21, 2015 at 9:44 pm
Last Post: Minimalist
  Anyone else ever think like this? Jextin 10 2834 December 31, 2014 at 2:49 pm
Last Post: paulpablo
  anybody else find this really poignant? fojo 0 1039 November 14, 2014 at 9:42 pm
Last Post: fojo
  My Argument for "Gnostic Atheism" - Anyone Else? onebluethinker 7 4558 October 17, 2014 at 2:21 pm
Last Post: TreeSapNest
  Anyone else an atheist while going to a Christian school? KentuckySkeptic224 7 3472 October 16, 2014 at 7:49 am
Last Post: The Grand Nudger
  anyone else notice a change of pace in christianity? Jextin 17 3750 August 19, 2014 at 4:44 am
Last Post: ronwilliams



Users browsing this thread: 5 Guest(s)