(September 27, 2016 at 12:54 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:(September 27, 2016 at 10:36 am)Little Rik Wrote: There is nothing wrong with trying to contradict my ideas but there is something very wrong when(emphasis mine)
you do that and at the same time you say......I'm not defending anything here........
You stubbornlydefend your belief that NDEs are not real because if they would be proven real then
it would be the very end of atheism.
Be honest with yourself yog at least.
Stop be an hypocrite.
You've shown time and time again that you don't know jack about atheism. I'm skeptical of claims that NDEs require a non-physical explanation. My skepticism is validated by the medical science, by the lack of verification of the elements of NDEs, and by general prudence. Even if I weren't skeptical that NDEs demonstrate a separation of body and consciousness, I'd still find your claim that they confirm karma and reincarnation to be preposterous. We are justified in believing only those aspects of NDEs which have been confirmed, and that doesn't confirm heaven, god, karma, reincarnation or any of the other purely experiential side of NDEs. It is true that I am a materialist, but my materialism isn't founded upon my disbelief in gods. Finding out that consciousness can be separated from the body would do nothing to my belief in god because the evidence for gods still wouldn't be there; you'd have a bunch of experiences, many contradicting, that describe a broad range of particulars, and only in very general and vague terms agree on details about gods. As a rule, I prefer material explanations because material causes and effects can be demonstrated to exist -- my preference is pragmatic, not ideological. I had the same bias as a Hindu who worshiped a god as I do now. I don't unilaterally rule out spiritual explanations, and indeed I've even provided support for such in cases in which you made claims but failed to produce evidence.
So, no, I'm not a hypocrite, and I will continue to press my skepticism of your claims and note loudly where you fail to provide "solid evidence" for those claims.
Let me see if I got it right yog.
According to you materialism is good because ........... material causes and effects can be demonstrated to exist..........but spirituality not because .......because....because what?
Oh, I see, it is impossible to demonstrate that there is karma (causes and effects).
In other words it is just a question of good luck and bad luck if someone born poor, sick, die of starvation or has his life cut short while somebody else born in top nick and live a good life?
Sure it could well be like this but LR is very very doubtful.
If this would be the case the universe would have disintegrated millions years ago.
I understand that some people win millions at lotto but the odds to win are one in a million while the odds to lose are the opposite so good or bad luck don't make any sense in this universal reality.
Sorry yog, I don't buy your naivety.
