RE: Why can't Christians Verify Exactly Where Jesus Was Buried?
October 7, 2016 at 9:31 am
(This post was last modified: October 7, 2016 at 10:09 am by The Grand Nudger.)
This is silly. The sermon on the mount is not seen by critical scholarship as a transcript of any sermon on any mount, Aractus, or even many sermons on many mounts. It is seen, as the entire book is seen, as a summary arranged by the author drawing heavily from mark, the hypothetical q, and the equally hypothetical m. I'd call that fan fic, you can call it whatever you like.
It is a collection of sayings attributed to jesus and compiled into literary form, based..ostensibly.. upon documents that no one has ever seen. All attributions to jesus are moot point, ofc, unless there actually was some historical jesus in the first place, and the attribution of sayings compiled into literary narratives doesn;t depend on the historicity of the characters the narrative clothes itself with. For all you know (and all the author knew), some or all of the sermon on the mount are the collected sayings of guys named bob, bill, and herbert...even if there -was- some historical jesus. It's good to at least discuss whatever it is you're considering for what it is, rather than what you believe it to be based upon the assumption of a historical jesus. The stories are what they are regardless of the truth of that. If someone wrote a speech in my name, and I was a historical person, that won't make that speech my speech...and the sermon on the mount was no speech of any jesus-the-man.
It was a speech written for the character of jesus, by the author of matthew, that tied nicely with OT themes (such as coming down from the fucking mountain to dispense the law.....). Even if we -were- to assume a historical jesus, it could raise itself no higher than pious historical fiction. Imagining what jesus would have said, if he said it all at once, in a dramatic and meaningful setting. "We" ofc, -don't- assume a historical jesus, but even you aren't satisfied with the narrative as it is, for what it is. You feel compelled to make shit up. Personally, I think that "matthew" felt the same way, as he surveyed whatever the hell he is supposed to have had at his disposal.
It is a collection of sayings attributed to jesus and compiled into literary form, based..ostensibly.. upon documents that no one has ever seen. All attributions to jesus are moot point, ofc, unless there actually was some historical jesus in the first place, and the attribution of sayings compiled into literary narratives doesn;t depend on the historicity of the characters the narrative clothes itself with. For all you know (and all the author knew), some or all of the sermon on the mount are the collected sayings of guys named bob, bill, and herbert...even if there -was- some historical jesus. It's good to at least discuss whatever it is you're considering for what it is, rather than what you believe it to be based upon the assumption of a historical jesus. The stories are what they are regardless of the truth of that. If someone wrote a speech in my name, and I was a historical person, that won't make that speech my speech...and the sermon on the mount was no speech of any jesus-the-man.
It was a speech written for the character of jesus, by the author of matthew, that tied nicely with OT themes (such as coming down from the fucking mountain to dispense the law.....). Even if we -were- to assume a historical jesus, it could raise itself no higher than pious historical fiction. Imagining what jesus would have said, if he said it all at once, in a dramatic and meaningful setting. "We" ofc, -don't- assume a historical jesus, but even you aren't satisfied with the narrative as it is, for what it is. You feel compelled to make shit up. Personally, I think that "matthew" felt the same way, as he surveyed whatever the hell he is supposed to have had at his disposal.
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