(October 10, 2016 at 5:28 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:(October 10, 2016 at 3:34 pm)Aroura Wrote: I also accept political reasons for disliking her, such as acations she took while so, and positions she has taken through her political carear, as good solid reasons for disliking her. Those are the answers I'm looking for, facts and reasons. You don't need to back it up with female politicians you like when your are listing real reasons for disliking her.
She's hawkish, bitchy, power hungry, or things about her personal life etc, are not very good reasons imho, though of course everyone is entitled to their opinions. These are the reasons I often see on social media, and they seem more gut feel than logic. Which is fine for personal reasons why a person doesn't like her, but isn't much in the way of convincing others, which is what I was asking for.
Perhaps you don't find it convincing, but have you considered the prospect that you are part of the 90% who has unrecognized biases in your views?
I dislike hawkishness no matter the gender; I think American foreign policy has for too long been too expansive and intrusive upon the affairs of other nations, and too wasteful of the lives of GIs, American prestige, and our limited budget. That is not about her personal life; that is about her policy positions. And I've listed a couple here, and more elsewhere.
I never have called her "bitchy", so tossing that at me is bullshit.
As for matters of personal life, they damned sure speak to character, and are fair game. I don't see you defending Trump against his attitudes about women or minorities on this basis of "that's personal". I wonder why?
I never said you called her bitchy. Someone else did that, not every comment I made responding to other people is about you.
And your initial responses to my I query were not about policy, but about her lying and her personal life. So I responded to those. You didn't say anything about any of that other stuff you just listed, so don't move the goalposts now. I mean, great, if you also feel that way, but we were talking about your initial comment and my initial response.
I'm not in this thread to talk about Trump, why even bring that up? Can we not talk about Clinton without always bringing him UP? This is a thread about Clinton, so I'm in this thread to talk about why people hater her. And I've never defended her on anything except personal attacks, nor would I Harang anyone who isn't voting for her. Your vote your choice. I'm not even a fan of hers, I just asked a question!
I asked why people don't like her, requested good policy reasons. I'm honestly curious, and a few people have given me good answers. So I do appreciate that.
I don't really appreciate you flipping out, but I see you felt attacked, so you went on the attack. I'll try not to take it personal.

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