(May 30, 2011 at 7:02 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Now, if your precious holy book said that a 50 year old man should NOT stick his dick in a 9 year old that would give it some moral standing.
Yes, but obviously it's not possible to fit the moral standings for every single action in the world that you can think of into the pages of a single book.
Only the most basic ones are necessary, such as the following:
"O you who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should you treat them with harshness, that you may take away part of the dowry you have given them , except when they have become guilty of open lewdness. On the contrary, live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If you take a dislike to them, it may be that you dislike something and Allah will bring about through it a great deal of good." - (Surah 4:29)
So from that verse, one can easily make the inference that things like child molestation and abusing your wife are against the commandments of the Quran.
(May 30, 2011 at 8:04 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Once you get by the absurd idea that this shit was dictated by 'god' to fucking mohammad in his "dreams" and come to the realization that it was written by the leaders of a culture which enjoyed fucking children then it is fairly easy to understand why it continues to this day.
To you, these "dreams" are an absurd idea. To others, it is not an absurd idea.
To many people, Muhammad was a trickster/liar/con-man.
To others, he was simply crazy/deluded/insane.
While the rest believe that he was a truthful and honest person.
I feel that the last one is the most credible description of him after learning about his life and his affectionate treatment of others. Also, he was also very kind to children and orphans, which you can find many articles on this from Google, and this is another powerful argument on why he wouldn't enjoy fucking children.
(May 30, 2011 at 6:58 pm)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote: We'd be missing Rayaan for the Muslim Seal of Approval
Approval that morality is entirely subjective? Well I see that fr0d0 and tackattack agrees with your post and I was tempted to kudos you at first also, but then, I resisted, because I thought that it would be dishonesty to my faith if I agreed with you that morality is totally subjective. Why? Because as a Muslim, I believe that what is right and wrong also comes from God who created good and evil - as well as being subjective to certain extent - since faith is ultimately subjective in the first place. Therefore, although "morality from God" and "subjective morality" are not necessarily exclusive ideas, they can be exclusive sometimes, in certain actions which an individual thinks that the action is harmless to anyone but he still avoids doing it because such an act is forbidden according to his religion (such as playing the lottery, for example, because gambling is prohibited in Islam).
So, that's why I don't agree with you that morality is fully subjective in every single situation (morality as in "what actions are good or bad").