RE: Is there objective Truth?
October 14, 2016 at 10:17 am
(This post was last modified: October 14, 2016 at 10:24 am by Neo-Scholastic.)
(October 14, 2016 at 6:47 am)Mathilda Wrote:(October 13, 2016 at 4:57 pm)Soldat Du Christ Wrote: @Whateverist, do you not believe that non material things exist? For example gravity? Mathematics? Laws of logic? Truth is fact, by definition. Do you not believe in facts? These are all in fact immaterial.
They are not immaterial. Maths and Logic wouldn't exist without the human population. You are essentially arguing that language itself is immaterial but it requires material for it to exist. Whether it's written down, spoken or stored, it requires material.
Same with facts. Facts relate to material.
In fact anything relevant to the world and our lives is relevant to something material.
@Soldat, you may not have noticed but Mathilda is saying that artifacts cannot qualify as objects. Let's suppose he is correct - mathematical entities are invented rather than discovered. What does that say about physical artifacts, like thermostats. People invented thermostats. Does that mean that a thermostat is not an object? An object is simply something that has independent existence from the subject that is aware of it. Because he conflates the terms real, object, and material, he begs continually begs the question. Mathilda also doesn't realize that the existence of something can be distinct from the material in which it is embodied. To use language as an example, the meaning of a phrase can be identical in both verbally expressed English and written French. The meaning is distinct from the material that carries it and will be recognized independently by different people fluent with the languages.