(October 17, 2016 at 12:36 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: The Prime Mover and First Cause demonstrations take no stand with respect to whether the physical universe had a beginning or if it is eternal. The idea that the Big-Bang justifies either demonstration is a modern misconception.
Secondly, the debate takes for granted a modern notion of causality that has become problematic, i.e. that cause-effect relationships are based solely on temporally successive events. Just as embodied objects appear solid, but are not actually so, the idea of prior events are the 'cause' of later 'effects' creates an infinite regress of intermediate causes.
We have also been "lied" to every time we've been shown the big bang on screen. There is no blank space outside the singularity and it's not "infinitesimally small". It contains all space-time and matter....it has no border.
There is time and space before the inflation of the universe only it's filled to the brimming with mass. No void space...all saturated space.
The inflation of the universe is the beginning of our time, our time down here....that's all over the second we ride up Troys bucket...

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Consider me a satellite forever orbiting,
I knew the rules but the rules did not know me, guaranteed." - Eddie Vedder
Consider me a satellite forever orbiting,
I knew the rules but the rules did not know me, guaranteed." - Eddie Vedder