Is there objective Truth?

[Soldat Du Christ]

You're still peddling that same false dichotmy.  Its a poor argument no matter what you plug in.  20 pages in...I;d hoped we'd have gotten to the "does truth exist" point, by now.  This is disappointing. In a thread -about- truth, your failure to acknowledge this basic logical principle amounts to your own objection to truth...regardless of whether or not it exists as you might describe it.

Btw, kernal, that's where your approach is lacking, lol. It gives hope to fuckers regardless of how plainly and simply wrong their claims may be...and that hope is -all- they need to persist in idiocy. 20 more p[ages and you're not going to come to an understanding, these arguments will not be improved. The subject will just keep on keepin on.

I've noticed in all your posts you never feel the need to have clarity. This always makes it a difficult aproach and often not worth adressing.

Also you have no reason to dismiss the thread under the guise of getting to the point, as it's been covered exponentionally and by default will always boil down to opinion. Since then i've gone with the flow in trying to explain to others why it's important to conform to reality, to live by objectivity. I've tried to explain it's the only sane way to live.

Kernel isn't masking his arguments or questions in a bunch of filler and emotional brain barf, so it's quite easy to stay on topic and actualy make progress.

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Yes, this world.  There are no perfect circles in this world so pi is an idealization created by minds.  It doesn't exist anywhere but in mind.

A perfect circle can be physically made. And nature makes perfect spheres all the time as bubbles.

This. Or you could throw a pebble in water and observe the programing of nature. Math is a tool we've developed to utilise this programing.